However, that doesn’t make the results of studies of toxic or carcinogenic chemicals and metal and plastic particles inhaled along with the nicotine or the concerns about nicotine addiction “scaremongering”.
The only good thing I can say about e-cigarettes is that they’re less harmful than regular cigarettes. Which is clearing a low bar (although the involvement of Altria and other scumbag corporations may ensure that they can’t clear it in the future).
I’m not pro or anti anything. You want to smoke, eat or drink something that’s totally fine by me - as long as it doesn’t intrude on my activities. This includes smelly clouds of weed, cigarette and vaping “smoke”. I don’t want to be subject to it either indoors while eating or outside when walking down the street.
I am, however, against the marketing of addictive substances to the underage and the irresponsible promotion of products that are still harmful by whitewashing their effects as “safer than X”.
Do whatever you want in the comfort of your own home but do it with full and complete knowledge and informed consent.
so far, the “studies” of such things seem about as reliable on the “oh no danger” side as the “there is no danger” side. my personal read ( so far ) is that the dangers are not out of line with other things we do.
example. i hate clouds of smoke from cars, thank goodness for unleaded gasoline, but we’re all breathing that all the time.
considering the known harms of smoking, my take is: rejoice.
i think government agencies might as well be setting up x-prizes for safer smoking, synthahol, and the like. a safer cigarette - while keeping the high taxes, and advertising restrictions - would be great.
harm reduction for harmful activities aint a bad thing.
True. And firsthand they’re just inhaling highly addictive vapour loaded with nicotine and who knows what trace metals and toxins and carcinogens.
But as long as they’re not puffing their foul vapours indoors or blowing their stench in my face they’re welcome to waste good money to take that risk and look like morons.
Obviously the dose from a Juul is less than the fatal dose, so the fact that it’s deadly at much higher doses isn’t relevant. Cigarettes, used as directed, are deadly carcinogens. We should do some epidemiology on vapes. But we know they aren’t toxic (though they would be if the delivered much more nicotine, or arsenic or whatever).
I honestly think the science is still pretty out on this. Safer than cigarettes, likely so… safe, especially when they are still connected to a known addictive substance, we’ll have to see. If in 20 years, we have just as many people struggling to quit smoking/vaping because they started with Juul when they are kids…
Either way, I’d very much not like to have to walk through clouds of vape smoke everywhere I go. I know it’s entirely unreasonable of me, but there you have it!
No, it doesn’t. eliquid consists of propylene glycol, vegetable glycerin, and flavor and nicotine. MFRs make different nicotine levels (usually 0, 3, 6, 12 mg nicotine). In my city we have a huge tax on juices presteeped with nicotine, so every shop in the county buys 0mg juice and adds nicotine to the level requested . Which makes it super easy to wean gradually.
pre-filled pods like the ones for JUUL or the PAX device are different. the juice and nicotine is formulated differently for these devices. there are refillable options like those made by Suorin which can be refilled with eliquid made with nicotine salts. but I always recommend avoiding pre-filled shit. it’s convenient, but it’s wasteful and you don’t necessarily know what’s in it because “proprietary.”
Then please don’t accuse others, without evidence, of being “paid by the nicotine lobby” or reduce their arguments to “you vape huh?”.
So nicotine kills people…when you smoke it with tobacco? Yes, we knew that. Or when nicotine is accidentally ingested or injected by a murderer, as show in your other links. How does any of this prove that vaping is a public health threat on the same order of magnitude as smoking?
The links between the tobacco companies and vaping companies are cause for real concern, and further research should give us further answers about the long-term health consequences of vaping. But the knee-jerk reactions against vaping shown by many in this thread - many of which seem to boil down to “I don’t like those idiots blowing it in my face!” are only likely to undermine reasonable discussion on the topic.
Dude’s going around accusing everyone who disagrees with him even a bit of being a “puritan”… I was more asking a question than accusing, tho.
I didn’t, actually, but thanks for taking the time to read the jokes instead of the substance of my comments.
Again, go read the links. CDC noted the danger in nicotine, NOT JUST FROM SMOKING IT.
It is part of the discussion, actually. And we don’t know yet, because this is such a new thing. Saying I don’t want it blown in my face is a perfectly legitmate part of this conversation. I don’t care if people vape, but if you’re actively blowing it in people’s faces, because YOU don’t think it’s harmful, then you really are being an anti-social dick.
[ETA] See, @anon61833566! SO. MUCH. FUN!!! If only I could add some booze to this!
Well shit, there’s an analogy that covers a lot of 2018.
Anyway, for the record, I recently quit a 30 year cigarette habit by switching to vaping but I’m not a dick about it and hope to fuck that it doesn’t turn out to be more dangerous than tobacco, but hey, vested interests have lied to us before, won’t be a complete surprise if they have again but I sure do prefer smelling slightly minty rather than like an ashtray.
And, I’m going to reiterate here, since so many people seem to be making assumptions about what I say, rather than actually reading my words (not you, of course!), I’m okay with whatever people want to do with their bodies (with some limitations, natch), as long as they understand that public space is not THEIR space, but OUR space.
Yeah, the I think the safe assumption is that they ARE lying about something here.
Roger that! I’m certainly glad it’s helped you. I know from both my parent’s struggles that quitting is tough.
