Ridiculous.
Opiods kill over 45,000 Americans a year.
And over 140 million prescriptions were written in 2017.
Something is wrong all right. And cigarettes, whether e-cig or not aren’t it.
The FDA should have better things to focus on. It is already illegal for children to buy them or use them.
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As someone whose dad died from lung cancer at the age of 60…
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Fixed that etc.
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Tomato - tomatoh!
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You know I am right there with you.
I am not a smoker, but I do enjoy the occasional cigar. HOWEVER…I have them either outdoors in a private setting - like my deck…or at a cigar bar where others are off partaking. Point is I do not ever force my cigar smoke on unwilling others.
Vapers on the other hand have zero such compunction. They blow their lung juices everywhere without regard for anyone else. And while the science is in on cigar/cigarette smoke and its negative implications; the science on vaping is clearly still OUT. And the idea that it is perfectly safe or has no other harmful effects is bogus. Vapers do add specific substances in them.
I, like you, am not a puritan. I have my vices just like anyone else. The difference here is as someone who drinks and enjoys a cigar I know the harmful side effects and thereby usually maintain a sense of moderation. Vapers have routinely pushed the stance of “its perfectly safe and harmless” and thereby seem to have zero restraint.
And arguing with them on a bbs thread…yeah…I have better shit to do than argue with children. I have my own 18 yr old in house to do that with.
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I’m with @anon61221983 on this one.
Paternal grandmother: smoker, died from lung cancer
Maternal grandfather: smoker, died from throat cancer
Both parents smoked.
Dad: kidney cancer survivor
Sister 1: lung cancer survivor
Sister 2: breast cancer survivor
You can fuck right off with the “cigarettes aren’t a problem”.
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In my personal experience with folks who vape, it’s about half and half. I’ve noticed that the people who’ve switched to vaping from smoking cigarettes tend to be more considerate, where as new vapers who maybe never smoked don’t seem to care? I think it might also be an age issue?
Indeed. These are still new products on the market.
I think that helps with anything.
Oh! Good luck with that! 
I’m going to go and argue with my nearly 16 year old!
Nah, the science STILL isn’t in! It’s just a theory, etc.! /s
I’d much rather have my dad still around then have him be dead at 60.
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I vape herbs, not e-cigs. But even though I generally enjoy the aroma of good herbs and find the miasma of e-cigs less offensive than the cancer clouds of cigarettes, I’ll still cross the street to avoid e-cig vapor. And I recognize that someone people find herb vapor offensive. So I don’t sit out on a public right-of-way like a store front and vape it. I’m considerate of the people around me.
What’s so annoying about e-cigs is that it seems to have reset the social stigma of blowing a smelly cloud in other people’s faces. I see people using them all the time in the middle of rights of way, blithely inconsiderate of whether anyone else wants to breathe or smell it. I really don’t give a flying fuck if they think it’s pleasant or healthy for me. I’m glad if it helps them quit smoking and/or they just like it. I’m not okay with their assumptions that I should inhale it. And yes, not all e-cig vapers. For that matter, there are some herb vapers who are just as much inconsiderate jerks (though I imagine it’s more of an issue in places where it’s legalized).
In short, whatever someone smokes or vapes, they should damn well exercise a modicum of common courtesy and keep it to themselves. We spent decades getting cigarette smokers to relinquish their control of the air in rights of way only to have a subset of vapers take it right back over.
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Thanks!
But why don’t you care about THEIR rights! /s
True for… all sorts of things, too, not just vaping…
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Recognizing the sarcasm, still gonna answer this because a lot of the upper-case Libertarians don’t seem to grok it. Your rights don’t extend to infringing on my rights. This should be axiomatic for anyone claiming to value the maximization of liberty, but apparently logic doesn’t survive capitalization.
Abso-fraggle-rockin’-lutely!
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Vaping is not marginally less harmful than smoking. It’s not even close. Vaping is comparable to living in a city with moderate air pollution as a non smoker.
Switching from smoking to vaping is like quitting smoking and also moving from a seaside village to a midsize city. That’s unequivocally something you celebrate.
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So there have been some studies done already on this? You think there is a pretty strong consensus on this issue so far?
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Ask again in 25 years.
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What I wonder about are all the other flavorings etc. that have never been sucked into the lungs over and over. What are those chemicals doing to the lungs doing the vaping?
Oh well, we probably won’t know for another couple of decades.
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Welcome to BoingBoing!
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This.
Additionally, asthmatics like myself are definitely not okay with someone else’s effluvia entering our own lungs, nicotine or not. Sure, there’s the bigger problem of factory/automobile pollution or allergens, but that argument is a strawman. E-cigs are an immediate and personal choice that affects us at ground-level.
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The act of breathing in BURNING chemicals is the harmful part, vaping is likely better for you than walking next to a busy road. Please keep in mind there are plenty of vape blends with NO nicotine, and there is a growing scientific consensus that nicotine, by itself, is largely benign. You Don Quixote’s looking for the next windmill saw electronic “cigarette” and lost your minds instead of examining the facts.
"By giving up cigarettes, they say, Daniel has removed at least 90% of the health risks of his habit.
Even so, the possibility that people can be addicted to nicotine, but not die from it, is at the heart of a growing debate in the scientific community. Scientists don’t doubt nicotine is addictive, but some wonder if a daily dose could be as benign as the caffeine many of us get from a morning coffee."
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Vaping helped you quit, so it’s okay for kids to get hooked?
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…In other news: The sky is falling.
