that video always cracks me up. 
all kidding aside, i think vaping by responsible adults who are considerate of others is totally a acceptable personal choice. i don’t vape nicotine myself, but i do vape pure cbd and thc extract for pain, but i only do so in appropriate times and locations. vaping has also expanded to caffeine, taurine, menthols, terpenes, alcohol, and various medicines.
This thread sure got interesting.
My dad died at 65 of a heart attack caused in part by a lifetime of smoking and alcoholism. Addiction kills.
it took a while to discover just how bad cigarettes were. who is to say vaping, which involves heating metal alloys to very high temperatures, as well as synthetic chemicals dedicated to taste and smell, will not have long term effects we are not yet aware of?
As an unwilling second-hand consumer of tobacco products for many decades, I think vaping is a godsend if it relegates cigarettes to the trashbin of history. Second-hand vape ‘smoke’ is nothing like cigarette smoke, hell it doesn’t even compare to 3rd-hand cigarette smoke (smoke fumes on the clothes of smokers).
Maybe vaping will turn out to be deadlier than smoking (really, really, really doubt it, given the huge difference in harshness of the fumes), but then, well, sucks to be the vapers, and really, who gives a shit? After trying for decades to convince people not to smoke (yes I was a do-gooder who cared about their health too), and being told fuck you I can do what I want, asshole, I gave up and said, ok do what you want just don’t kill me along with your wonderful habit. Now that there’s a product that does just that – leaves me alone – I’m all for it.
Smokeless tobacco causes lots of head and neck cancer, according to the doctor sitting next to me. Those cancers have a high mortality rate, and the treatment protocols are enormously unpleasant.
One thing that nicotine addiction does is affect one’s reasoning abilities regarding health risks associated with nicotine.
I would be curious how addicting it is compared to caffeine.
We give a shit - the people in society who will have to bear the enormous costs of treating the addicts- especially since the addictions were paritally caused by the vaping companies intentionally marketing to children. Companies that will never have to pay the costs of the damage they did in order to earn profits.
If smoking only caused troubles to the people who smoke, it wouldn’t be such an enormous problem. By the time we absolutely fur-sure (sp?) know what vaping does to people, it’ll be too late to defray those costs - and too late for the kids who were addicted.
Culture Citizens have drug glands. No need to smoke. But if they want to, no problem.
These are a great design. The weed version (pax) is super stealthy and convenient.
Nicotine isn’t really the ‘worst’ thing in cigarettes, and while I don’t want to see kids pick up the habit - I’d hand out vapes if it kept them from using a damn cancer stick.
Vaping helped me quit - actually it was the only thing that worked. 4 years smoke free (including the 6 months vaping myself down to 0 nicotine). Within a week of vaping (vs cancer sticks) I was no longer coughing every morning.
FYI - I still had major withdrawals - even when using enough nicotine to give me the shakes (way too much FYI) - because the shit that kept me addicted - wasn’t the nicotine, it was the other shit in the cigarettes. That lasted for a good two weeks - even with nicotine in my system - it’s no wonder people can’t walk away even when using nicotine products - because it’s not the nicotine that’s the worst of it - of course no one wants to believe me for some reason because ‘vape bad’… /sigh.
LMFTFY
Thanks to vaping, decades of anti-nicotine messaging for teens has been wiped out.
The chart clearly shows the rate of smoking continuing to decline.
This is a very great idea. Anti-nicotine vaping may reduce risk of cancer. Smoking Nicotine damages the DNA and lungs. It affects lymph nodes, bronchi and other parts of the body, and Lung cancer is one of the most common cancer through smoking, its treatment is incredibly challenging.
Read: Why Lung Cancer is Difficult to Treat?
I will never quite understand people that don’t have a negative visceral reaction to being told what they should put in their body, even (especially?) in the context of cybernetic nudge theory.
Related - there will always be bad kids, and they will always be way more badass than good kids. Nothing warms my heart like seeing yuppies cross the street to avoid bad kids.
There’s quite interesting study on harmful substances in e-cigarette aerosol:
Most of these are high temperature breakdown products of e-liquid. What’s interesting, aldehyde content in e-cigarette aerosol is highly dependent on type and power of vaporizer. The results aren’t directly comparable to results from cigarettes due to different measurement methods, but still show that these are not perfectly safe. For high powered vaporizer results were similar to cigarette, and formaldehyde content (for 10 91 ml puffs) was more than 10 times higher than that of a regular cigarette.
Having been a cigarette smoker and an e cigarette vaper, you can tell just by taste and how messed up your lungs get. Vaping is just obviously MUCH safer. I have a jar of cigarette butts that I smell regularly to remind me of how horrible cigarettes are. There is no equivalent for vaping.
Both are bad and I don’t do either now. But the toll of vaping is mostly in the psychological domain whereas tobacco smoking just plain makes you unfit.
I have never seen any indication that juul explicitly markets to kids. Most flavors in vape shops have rainbow cartoons and unicorns whereas juul uses very plain minimal marketing. Their flavors appeal to me, old enough to be their parent. People don’t seem to get that fruity fresh flavors are an important motivation for adult smokers to switch from stale stogies.
I cannot speak to hidden motivations and I know there is money in the high school market which is a motivator. Yet I almost think a reason juul is popular among kids is that they don’t market to the kids. I still have a hard time believing that any self respecting rebel really was swayed by a dorky smoking camel, but that is another topic.
Nicotine and all inherently addictive substances are evil but vape vapor is mostly the same stuff as in smoke machines in discos. It looks much heavier than it breathes. It looks like smoke but it is not.
At any rate, driving your car unquestionably produces more particulate. A Juul cartridge contains maybe 2ml of liquid that except for the nicotine is food safe. It costs about as much as a gallon of gas (about 4L) full of carcinogens and acute poisons. Drivers and vapers use them ballpark at about the same rate. Don’t get high and mighty about affecting other people if you get around in fossil fuel powered vehicles.
The liquid itself is food safe, but depending on type of vaporiser, aerosol may not be so, due to thermal breakdown products of glycerin and other substances. Especially so called “mechanical mods” may produce harmful substances.
David Nutt did a study that found that nicotine caused psychological dependancy comparable to cocaine and heroin. Heroin was more physically addicting, but nicotine was comparable to barbiturates and benzodiazepines. I became dependent to the latter ten years ago and coming off was horrible, I would have to be seriously ill before I let a doctor give them to me again.
Cannabis scored far lower for both. Unfortunately caffeine wasn’t one of the drugs studied, but in my experience caffeine was far easier to come off than benzodiazepines.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(07)60464-4/fulltext
I’ve been addicted to Xanax back a few decades ago and It took be about a year to get off of it in the end.
The past year I’ve been experimenting with pot and not experiencing anything addicting at the moment. I’ve really been micro dosing so there is that.
Wiped out?
Or … Went up in smoke?
As an addiction researcher, I find this article to be irresponsible. Not only does it overstate the number of vape addicts (i.e., heavy daily users that would equate to a pack-a-day habit), it buys into the assertion that nicotine dangerous to humans. That is pure speculation based upon animals whose brains develop far faster than humans. If nicotine really was so neurotoxic, how did I and my Boomer colleagues who smoked as teens still have brain power enough to earn doctorates yet stop smoking once the evidence or harm was clear?
What kills smoking humans is the gunk in the tobacco that is released with the addicting nicotine when burned; not the nicotine. There is no evidence that pure nicotine inhaled in vaping presents a health risk remotely equivalent to smoking tobacco. Vaping is so much safer that the UK National Health Service encourages smokers to switch to vaping as a means of extending their longevity. In the US, vaping has been demonized by political appointees, who ignore the meta-analyses showing vaping is far safer. How much safer? Well, being a lifetime vaper, data suggests that you are more likely to die of causes unrelated to vaping.
While we have been freaking out the past decade over the unproven harm vaping does to teens, the government still has done little to regulate the amount of nicotine released in vaping devices, nor set manufacturing standards to preclude dangerous toxins being produced by the devices themselves. If I was a conspiracy theorist, I would want to know how Big Tobacco is benefitting from this public-health-sponsored witch hunt. Remove the devices from the market once a new generation of teens are addicted to nicotine and you have another 40 or 50 years of Marlboro customers. Scare off smokers who vape to cut down on smoking and/or just want a safer product, and they too will relapse to Marlboro Country.
