Have you ever seen an actual beating? Per Merriam Webster: Beating Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster – “an act of striking with repeated blows so as to injure or damage”.
I watched the video again. I’m still not seeing the repeated blows.
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They knocked his fucking teeth out and gave him a concussion.
They don’t get bonus points for doing so without a prolonged series of repeated blows.
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So if I punched you in the face once hard enough to give you a concussion, knock out some teeth, and render you unconscious, you think I could defend myself in court on the basis that I didn’t beat you because beating entails multiple blows but I only punched you once?
That’s your justification for arguing this man was not literally “beaten”?
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Are you getting the “injuries definitely caused by a terrifying criminal perp resisting Our Troops” list mixed up with the “injuries definitely caused by clumsy spouses and not domestic violence” list; or have those just been merged into “socially valorized pain compliance euphemisms” for convenience’s sake?
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Ok. Really? Yep. This is Dr. Marcus Welby. If nothing else, based upon his history, you might want to be a touch circumspect.
So you think it’s reasonable to infer moral culpability based not on the events on the plane itself, but on the person’s history.
But you don’t seem to think the history of the cops is relevant to the moral calculus?
Your bias is showing.
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Ha. Please.
I don’t think it is a pointless distinction. Words have meaning. The event was on video and was bad enough we don’t need to add to it with colorful language. Hyperbole damages your credibility. There are many other colorful words one could use that do accurately describe what happened, like “jerked” and “slammed” and “dragged” and “bloodied”. But given he is a wordsmith, he knows which word has the most impact.
I did a 3 min google search and you want to know what I found?
Who isn’t using the word “beat” or “beaten”? Every major news outlet, as well as Dao’s OWN LAWYER. ETA - nor the linked article.
Who did I find using the word “beat” or “beaten”? The National Enquirer, Perez Hilton, and some World Socialist Website (which used the word so much it was like beating a dead horse.) So basically tabloid trash.
So I realize BB isn’t a NEWS outlet. It’s a BLOG. There shouldn’t even be an expectation of journalistic integrity. But given the general stance on “fake news” and it’s damage, as well as the general vibe of using fact and reason to arrive at conclusions, I am not sure why more people aren’t calling this out.
HOW is that victim blaming? How the hell is calling for an accurate description blaming the victim? How is calling for an actual description even excusing the cops’ behavior? I can’t find major news outlets using the words “beaten”, nor his own lawyer using that word, so are they being pedantic? Are they victim blaming? Or maybe they don’t think that accurate described what happened and know that hyperbole damages your credibility.
I get it, the cops are assholes and deserve everything they got coming to them and more. Knee jerk behavior is to pile on at every opportunity. But, you know, I have this thing about integrity and telling the truth. Hell I tell people I am 5’ 11 1/2" because I am! Most people would find 6’ a “close enough to the truth” measurement to be fine with it.
And I am sure the knee jerk reaction is to think, “Oh, Mister44 supports these cops or think their actions were justified.” NO, not in the least. But I am going to condemn them on their gross mishandling of the situation and the injuries caused to Dr. Dao and now their false statements made on the reports. Isn’t that damning enough with out adding hyperbole?
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You cited the article. He’s just quoting it. If you were less lazy or more dedicated to licking the arses of the Chicago PD you would have found an article that left out that bit. I’m sure there are some out there.
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We don’t need to trust this man to know what happened on the plane. There are multiple witnesses, video and medical records all backing up his side of the story.
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Naw. Chicago. You drink whiskey?
Usually scotch.
Back on topic:
Reflexively and without rational justification, yes. We’ve been over this already.
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Not a personal insult, just what I’m observing from the evidence available. Isn’t that what you’re demanding in re: this incident?
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Citing the MSM hatchet job on the guy was also an ad hominem argument; not sure why it’s only fair when you do it.
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Are you a judge, by any chance?
“This man, although brain-damaged in the incident, was not strictly speaking beaten by the defendant, who is a man of good character and, apropos of nothing, quite white indeed. Case dismissed!”
Or just trollin’, trollin’, trollin’ on the ri-ver?
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They just reprinted the guys record. Hows that a hatchet job? It’s not.
That’s pretty much the meaning of the term - dredging up irrelevant dirt on someone to darken people’s perceptions of that person.
The guy committed a non-violent crime of passion more than a decade ago, and on that basis you judge that he must be in the wrong in this situation.
Meanwhile, you don’t even consider the possibility that one or both of the cops may have more recent violent infractions on their records. Wouldn’t that be even more relevant? Have you investigated this possibility at all?
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a weigh-station for disgraced ex-cops
Way-station. Unless they’re actually making them stand on a set of scales each morning…
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It is irrelevant to the case at hand.
He could have been guy who eat babies, and it doesn’t mean his rights weren’t violated. That is the interesting thing about rights, is they apply to everyone. Even people who have done bad things. Of course those rights can be suspended, but only under due process of the law.
That is until we devolve into some Judge Dredd nightmare world.
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They have to get the donut problem under control somehow…
