Well it’s just my belief that the Clinton campaign knows what they need to do to win better than you do.
Well I know I can stop doing that now…
Tired: Fist Bump
Wired: whatever it is the kids do today I don’t know any more I am old.
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Well, it was a nice country while it lasted…
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No, the polling data showed him losing within the margins he lost by.
I truly understand your concern, and share it. Still, I don’t think that’s an effective way to motivate any kind of progress at all. It’s okay to be honest about the numbers. If you think the progressive left are poorly informed or not motivated, work on that, but don’t do it by telling people to shut up and hide facts - that’s a terrible approach.
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Wikileaks doesn’t ‘say’ anything. They release information obtained from whistleblowers/hackers/good samaritans/etc. A little confused why you would dismiss this channel out of hand?
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Yeah, manipulate the fuck out of the media and cheat/lie/break and bend every fucking rule possible. They got plenty of practice in the primary. Because god forbid she actually just, you know, appeal to voters by having an appealing platform. They are intent on shoving it down our throats while screaming ‘Trump!’ the whole time. I have the luxury of living in a state where I don’t have to vote for either of these vile onerous frauds. The DNC still has time to do the right thing and pick a candidate that can beat Trump honestly and soundly.
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That’s certainly debatable.
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Which I think is also a part of what makes Clinton so hard to swallow. The Democratic party would rather risk losing the election than engaging in any meaningful compromise. It’s ‘our way or go fuck yourself’. And it also looks to me like Clinton will pivot back to the right even more, because she thinks she can do no wrong against a candidate like Trump. Progressives and independents have some very legitimate concerns, and they have been voiced articulately and loudly, largely through the Sander’s campaign. There has been virtually no meaningful compromise, or even dialogue. To me, this election makes both the Ds and Rs obsolete. The R’s for putting up a candidate like Trump, and the D’s for being so inept and tone-deaf that they cannot beat DONALD FUCKING TRUMP.
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Isn’t that a “terrorist fist jab?” Or is it only called that when non-white people do it?
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Good points. I’m not sure the Greens are the way to go.
I would like to put up a straw man which I don’t know what I feel about but haven’t seen anywhere else (not that I read everything). Supposedly Sanders did not do as well as Clinton among people of color for a number of reasons. I wonder if the liberal white wing of the party deserves a “get out the vote” too, by minorities? As a liberal white person, I feel as if no one in the Democratic party gives a f__k about my concerns.
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No - no it didn’t - if you count all the polls Obama had a narrow (within margins) lead but it certainly didn’t reflect reality. The only one who had it on the nose was 538 and that made him famous.
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Another link…
You picked the one polling agency with the worst track record for 2012 for your example:
Nate Silver got popular due to his performance in 2008.
Eta: I don’t mean to make it sound like my opinion as a liberal white person means any more or less than anyone else’s; I do feel that as a strongly liberal person, the Democrats don’t care about my opinions at all as they skew more and more center-right. I’m sorry, I’m so sleep-deprived now I’m not sure anything’s coming out clearly.
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Disagree - he wasn’t the first person to ‘have a handle’ on the polls - the repeat performance is what made him reputable - had he been off target by a large amount no one would be talking about him today. I think he’s now at the point he can have a miss and still be relevant. I don’t think you opinion is bad per say - I just don’t agree as such.
You know that up until that election was over they were still considered the most reputable non-biased poll right?
Hindsight… well it is what it is - I don’t think it was a bad example to use.
Candidates campaigns have been ended by lesser controversies than several things Clinton has rolled over. Now with evidence of collusion out in the public I have to wonder just what it could possibly take for them to throw in the towel?
For a candidate facing an opponent who has already tapped into the idea that Clinton is less than honest I have to wonder just what the DNC thinks they are doing with my future?
I understand politics and insider status, but at some point, I think already past, you cross the line into jeopardizing the entire election. I get it that you wanted to give the Presidency to Hillary, and she worked hard and longer than she wanted to get there. But jiminey crickets, you are going to get us all killed!
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I went full-on Korporate Kane
but it turns out that the Devil’s favourite demon Glenn Jacobs has Republican political aspirations and may be running in Knox County for mayor.
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pivoting to the right
Of course Clinton was just wearing a bit of progressive makeup.
Remember that Obama was the ”dangerously liberal” alternative to her in 2008, and he’s already way too bombs-and-‘trade’-deals for the likes of me. That said, I like his maturity after W and would keep him over Clinton in a heartbeat.
It scares me to death that the Democrats quashed the uprising of secular humanism among their ranks, and I can only hope that the party’s progressive wing grows in strength thanks to their coalescing around the Sanders campaign.
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You must be so much fun at gatherings… seriously, it’s possible to be socially aware AND partake of popular entertainment.
