The Tory party exists only to obtain power or to retain it. They will never vote no confidence in ther own govt. They may be ‘rebels’ on party policy or on the odd vote here and there but a vote of no confidence? No way. To say nothing of the terror of another election so soon.
She sure won’t finish her term, even given that she cannot be removed as leader for another year now. She will eventually resign once Brexit is done. (See my earlier post about the options then.)
Hmm. Kind of, it shows options that in reality are extremely unlikely but in general it’s correct. Going to assume that the vote, whenever it happens (if at all), will fail. Then the options are:
Go back to EU: the EU will not reopen negotiations, period. Doomed to fail.
Throw hail Mary: May has stated repeatedly that she won’t accept a new referendum, and a general election at this point is suicidal.
Parliament intervenes: maybe. I’d still consider it unlikely, since there doesn’t seem to be a majority for anything at all right now. How they’d unite on anything is hard to imagine.
No deal exit: most likely outcome in my opinion. Every day that passes without one of the other outcomes makes this more likely, and the UK government has been doing nothing but wasting time the last couple of years.
Well it is a bit ‘Brexit 101’ simplistic but in its own terms it is broadly accurate. There aren’t that many options. Whether Labour remains supine and lets the Tories destroy themselves some more, while destroying the country, or becomes more active, may be a deciding factor as to which of the options the NYT outlines comes closest to coming to pass.
The news progs are over, here. Off to bed. Goodnight.
So there we go.
A couple of days of backbiting and bloodletting, and we find ourselves in exactly the same place as we were on Sunday night.
There’s still been no vote on the deal, because it will lose.
The rest of Europe is still not going to renegotiate the backstop (because the UK already agreed to this, knowing that it contained the things they’re now complaining about).
May’s set of red lines still contains the inherent contradictions of no hard border / no customs union / no internal border
So we’re no closer to a deal, hard brexit is still the default if parliament can’t pass anything, and everything is getting less strong and stable by the second.
The only ways out I can see right now are:
How’s that for a plan?
Sounds like a job for the boys from Top Gear. The real one, not the new one. They love cars, hate Boris, and are partial to a pint.
Don’t you mean Simon Pegg and Nick Frost?
Nah. I’d hate it for Simon or Nick to go to prison. Jeremy Clarkson, meh.
ETA: I’m not sure beating BoJo on the head with a cricket bat would accomplish much other than to make him angry…
As much as the left hate Blair, he would have eaten May for lunch, and the ERG too.
The day before yesterday’s man, then. He’s a Bennite, but without the intellectual heft of Benn, good for a protest but not a leader.
I still hate Blair, but yes, your point stands. Still don’t want him back, though, ever.
I mentioned him in another thread. We saw him interviewed on TV a couple of days ago, my wife commented that he seemed not completely off the deep end, and was therefore surprised that he was a Tory.
Fun fact: May and Grieve were born in the same year, May in October and Grieve in …wait for it…May.
Lillian Lake-Connelly.
August Oldbrook-Wooten
I would have thought being a war criminal should make it hard to come back, but these days you never know.
Regarding Brexit, May has stated repeatedly that she won’t do things that she ended up doing anyway. I don’t see why a second referendum would be any different.
I wonder if a protest that effectively caused Operation Stack would persuade her? It would show Britain what things would be like after Brexit.
I think May will use one tactic and another to run the clock down to the point where the fear of a chaotic No Deal Brexit becomes overwhelming.
At that point there will be a majority in Parliament for the May deal. (It will need some cosmetic tweaks to justify bringing it before the House more than once.)
We should keep in mind that all this fire and fury is only about the treaty which gets us over the line of 29th March 2019.
Once that is done, the May Deal puts us in a kind of Soft Brexity Limbo while our political leadership class (ha!) works out and negotiates the “real deal”. This new phase potentially could last indefinitely. Does anyone know what the desired final treaty is supposed to look like? (Canada ++, Norway +, Switzerland <= …?)
To look at it one way, a second referendum now would be as much of a silly lie as the first one, because the May Deal only gets us out of the EU in a technical sense. Realistically, it puts us into a kind of Norway - position.
Or Ireland…
Of course, it has ‘nothing whatsoever to do with Brexit’.
Don’t forget that the German car industry will apparently force Merkel to force the rest of the EU to give in to whatever we want so they can sell us cars.
Sometimes it’s the French wine and cheese industries that will force Macron to force Merkel to force the rest of the EU, but someone will definitely make the EU countries throw away all of the rules they have always rigourously enforced just so we won’t impose tariffs on stuff we’d continue to buy anyway.
Oh, and the EU is supposedly petrified that we won’t pay the £39 billion.
We are apparently perfectly prepared to weather the economic disruption and chaos of a no-deal if the EU won’t give in to our demands but they are obviously spineless surrender-monkeys so the prospect of a slight budget shortfall will so petrify them that they’ll give in.
They don’t like it up 'em!
I didn’t live on a street, on account of coming from rural Cornwall where we don’t truck with such things.
But if I use the name of the hamlet… June Penvose-Proctor
Wow that’s snooty.
