I’m not one of them, but there’s plenty out there like that, for sure.
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Oh, not implying that at all. More an admission of guilt, myself, than an accusation.
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Cool, I didn’t read it that way. I have other faults 
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A rage-a-holic in today’s environment is an alcoholic in an all-you-can-drink bar promotion. Unhealthy and destructive, but soooo tempting. This is why I spend so much time in the garden.
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Yup. Fishing helps.
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Legal history from a legal historian. And trans history from a trans historian.
Also - legislation sponsored by the head of the local NAACP- listen up Mayor Pete.
With supporting characters RBG and Sherrod Brown.
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Top line: Trump’s policy to allow refusal to provide medical care to trans people overturned by two courts!
But - based on lies about the number of complaints- and who done the dirty deed?
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I had a rather frustrating conversation with someone a few days ago where they were quite adamant that transgender did not exist more than 20 years ago. I was all…
Well, i say adamant but he couldn’t quite commit to 20 years or 30 years but the point is it seems a common tactic to demonise the trans community by dismissing it as a ‘modern phenomenon’ or some such bullshit. The conversation then strayed into very TERF territory and me trying to explain that he might be suffering from a case of straight, white male privilege which never goes down well.
Anyway, what i came to realise about myself is how much i’m lacking in knowledge of trans history and i was curious if anyone had some good trans history books they could recommend.
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I can give you a quote from the mother of anarcha-feminism. This is real radical feminism.
That was from the early 1920s in a letter to Magnus Hirschfeld, who did a lot of the early research into transgender (even though it wasn’t called that at the time). That research was destroyed in the Nazi book burnings.
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20 or 30 whole years. Jeez - I transitioned before then.
People were passing trans specific rights legislation in the US almost 65 years ago. The right to change your birth certificate.
You need better friends. That person sounds like a dick.
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Ah, not a friend I hasten to add, just someone I interact with occasionally at one of my regular haunts. The quote borderer posted seems apt here, I feel he has a profound lack of understanding because he was quite shocked when I brought up the fact so many trans people are murdered every year.
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That is so EASILY disprovable!
Carlos began transitioning in the 1960s, FFS!
Sabrina Ramet transitioned in the 80s…
Some of her earliest work (a great paper on punks in East Germany) was pushed under Pedro instead of Sabrina…
Pretty much…
Also, pretty much.
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Yeah, “there were never [insert LGBTQIA label here] people before modern liberals decided to destroy society 30 years ago” is a deeply-ingrained prejudice, aided and abetted by the fact that archaeologists and anthropologists seem to do their damndest to undermine the existence of historical LGBTQIA folk at every opportunity. A man and a woman buried together are lovers; two men buried together were related, or master/apprentice, or battlefield companions, but seemingly never conceivably partners. It drives me bonkers.
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If we’re talking about history - I like to point to The Father of History (or lies, if one prefers ).
Herodotus - wrote of trans people among the Scythians in his Histories. Was that 500 bc? Who adopted female dress social status etc - and he warned against drinking their brew made from mare’s urine. Of course - mare’s urine is where Premarin comes from (Pregnant Mares Urine) - it’s easily derived as it bonds with egg whites. Trans preppers take note for the zombie Apocalypse.
" The Enarees, or woman-like men, have another method, which they say Venus taught them.
Hippocrates wrote about them as well.
“they put on female attire, reproach themselves for effeminacy, play the part of women, and perform the same work as women do.”
Ashurbanipal , the last great king of the Assyrian Empire - was credited with inventing the library & was trans. You’re welcome.
Hijra go back forever in India.
There was a Roman Emperor who was seeking a surgeon who could perform the type of surgery we have today. Elagabalus also known as Heliogabalus; Latin: Marcus Aurelius Antoninus Augustus; c. 204 – 11 March 222).
But really - throughout all times and all cultures.
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And let’s not forget that there were dieties specifically for & venerated by trans people - the Venus Castina comes to mind most readily.
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This is the precisely the kind of thing i had in the back of my mind, i didn’t know specifics but i at least knew that trans history goes back at least as far as recorded history does. I’m not surprised that this is a part of ancient greece.
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I think that the Greeks referred to the Scythians as barbarians. Dusting off those nuerons…
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Ah yes, ‘mare milkers’ as you say…
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I just remembered about this BBC documentary from 1979/80, if it is useful.
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Yep. Plenty of societies had some sort of acknowledgement of trans people, even if they did not use our modern terminology. It comes from the notion that history is “progressive” and we today are “better” and more advanced than people in the past, more enlightened (which is a fallacy of the enlightenment, oddly enough).
But this guy was wrong, even in the modern, specific context, too… Really, I just wanted an excuse to post a pic of Wendy Carlos, who is awesome-sauce! And Sabrina Ramet who is also awesome-sauce!
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