Trump calls election a fraud, then adds that he won it

Racism is not built upon consistency and logic.

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Interesting! So remind me—does Mississippi have a longstanding reputation as a beacon of freedom and representative democracy, or…

ETA: reading up on this ballot amendment it looks like a Gubernatorial candidate was required to also win the popular vote to avoid a runoff so it was never as undemocratic as our system for electing a President.

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They haven’t forgotten what happened to Bob that one time:
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The more of them and the closer together they are, the less likely the Orange guy is going to come in for a hug. He smells like old stinky feet. Strength in numbers!

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If the elections are a fraud then President Trump should blame the government. And who is in charge of the government? …

I hope Deutsche Bank sells Trump’s debt to Saudi royals or Russian oligarchs and we can run though the Emoluments clause in another impeachment. Not that the Democrats have the fortitude to hold a President accountable for clear Constitutional violations.

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Ooh! I know this one!
[cue spooky music]

The Deeeep Staaate.

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The only slightly reasonable argument I’ve seen in favor of the electoral college was a recent editorial in our local paper. It was based on the chaos that could be caused if ALL the votes had to be recounted in a tight race, versus just those close calls in certain states/jurisdictions.
But what about if we kept the EC and ditched the “winner takes all” option? Maine and NE split their EC votes, what would happen if every state did that, according to population? Maybe the same chaos warned against in the editorial, I’m not sure. But something’s gotta change.

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Let’s not forget, this was lived memory for many people. It was not their antecedents, it was many older Americans who experienced an apartheid nation. They literally want to go back to their youths, in many cases.

No, they really want to keep them around, as people with no rights, to do all the hard work for them. While we think of Jim Crow as a period of history with segregation, there was a fair amount of intimacy, as it was Black Americans who basically did all the drudgery for middle and upper class white people, and took various kinds of abuse, because they had no protections under the law.

They impeached him. It was the GOP controlled senate that refused to convict or take anything seriously. It is the GOP who is holding this country hostage to their backward and bigoted ideology right now.

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They don’t split their EC votes strictly by proportion of the population, though, they do it by congressional district. And with as gerrymandered as the House is…

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That’s what I see, too. It’s why all the orchard owners and farmers are so ready to vote R and the anti-immigrant rhetoric, while building their profits on the backs of immigrants. Makes me want to kick something.

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I think the EC is like slavery and the 3/5ths comprimise: It was a mistake, and it was a bad one that the founding fathers who were actually good at their jobs knew was a mistake but they didn’t want to have that fight then. It should have been eliminated in the 1860’s; giving them there states rights idiots something to be really mad about. (Ha! Just kidding! Sherman should have pushed them all into the ocean and watched them drown.)

But even then, we have messed it up. There were supposed to be about 1 representative per 30,000 people. Which means the house of representatives should have roughly 10,430 members. (This is including reps from the territories, WHO SHOULD TOTALLY EXIST.)

Now, if the EC had 10,542 members, which is the 10,430 members based on state population and 112 members based on two per state, the edge to the small states is very small; no one’s vote is diluted very much. (The territories have an outsized say; which seems kind of poetic. :slight_smile: ) More precisely, the benefit to the small states is exactly as small as the founding fathers begrudgingly agreed to.

Guam, Samoa, and the Virgin Islands would each have 4 votes. Guam would have 7 votes. DC would have 22 votes. Puerto Rico would have 126 votes. California would have 1,244 votes. Wyoming would have 19 votes.

Yes, having the House have 10,430 members would be… unwieldy. But for the Electoral College it would just add time to a show that no one watches anyway. Not like conventions aren’t held in arenas anyway; there are plenty of places where it could happen.

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You’ve made a mistake with Guam.

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I’m not sure the Northern states of small population (VT, NH, DE, RI, etc.) wouldn’t have objected just as strenuously as the Southern states of small population. (Albeit, some have joined the National Popular Vote compact; but this is, again, in their interest. The North has been screwed by these EC catastrophes, not the South.)

And it wasn’t a “mistake”. It was a compromise. Without it, America would now be a hodge podge of disunited Balkenized states. It’s always weird when people talk about the EC completely out of historical context.

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He just doesn’t ever want to admit that he is a loser.

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No sense in wasting the guard’s time. Just weld the door shut & turn off the power to the bunker.

If we don’t have bunkers to retreat to, why should they?
Same goes for Congresscritters.

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He got the most votes of any loser in presidential election history. :wink:

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Or sooner when they realized that selecting the EC winner as president and the runner-up as vice president wasn’t going to work.

eta: It’s not like the EC rules have been updated for the change to the single-ticket of pres and vp. That’s a lurking rake in the grass.

I wonder if party wheels really understand why the pres and vp candidates have to be from different states, or if it’s all just Cargo Cult politics?

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Or get the National Popular Vote adopted nationwide - we just passed it here in CO!

ETA: there is an article about it if you are not familiar:

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