I only drink vodka when there’s no gin on hand.
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Janneau Armagnac is on special at the local Morrisons - £14 a bottle. I’ve been fancy-brandy drunk for a while now 
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He “hates” his own daughter, grandchildren, and in laws so much as to embrace antisemitic messages if they help him amass power and win.
This is not a conspiracy theory, this is fact.
He may not see it exactly the same but he aligned with those forces for power early on in the campaign.
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I don’t think he hates his own daughter or grandchildren, or his in-laws. You see, casual bigots always make exceptions for “the good ones.”
What’s being criticised here is an ad produced by his campaign organisation, one which makes a point of featuring images of Jews when it discusses global special interests “controlling the levers of power” in a parasitic manner. The messages aren’t so secret, either, to their intended audience.
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I don’t really buy the TRump anti S meme. He might be but he might equally not be. He lives in NYC and Florida. If he didn’t like Jews there are way better places.
Still plenty of reasons to dislike him. I guess that was my only point. Tough to really care. So many other reasons to not like him.
I’m shocked, just shocked Nobby.
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I see no reason to assume that if the Trump campaign creating an antisemitic ad, that there’s a logical consequence of Trump hating his daughter/grandchildren. It’s safe to assume he’s exploiting antisemitism politically, it’s safe to assume he’s got various antisemitic views but isn’t consistent/coherent, it’s safe to assume his kind of antisemitism applies to the Other and not his family/friends.
A while back Trump posted this antisemitic claptrap:
It was created for an alt-right antisemitic group. It’s a real thing he did where it’s much harder to deny the antisemitism, since it was created by antisemites. Does that mean Trump hates his daughter/grandchildren? No. It just means Trump’s willing to exploit antisemitism for political purposes.
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It comes down to whether you want to give him the benefit of the doubt. I see no reason to since he’s expressed antisemitic sentiments for decades, is generally racist, and has exploited antisemitism in the campaign prior to this ad. If you want to give him the benefit of the doubt, that’s your call, but it seems very naive to me.
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And it was just a sheriff’s star, right?
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FWIW, Armagnac is only one department away from Cognac, which means the terroir is basically the same but the cost of the alcohol is quite a bit less because it doesn’t have that magical name “Cognac” attached to it.
You can drink significantly better for the price if you drink Armagnac instead.
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Thanks! We just bought a few bottles for a Hannibal-themed party.
We stopped short of simulating the ortolan bunting in marzipan, but sweetbreads were enjoyed.
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“Nuh uh” and “I don’t think so” and “you don’t know how he feels” is actually very easy to say, I doubt any of those posters here are losing any sleep or feel conflicted doing so.
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I wish I could drink today
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If you drink Metaxa your money goes even further.
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[quote=“nemomen, post:190, topic:88859”]It’s easy to assume he’s sending an antisemitic message to court voters but doesn’t care,
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That’s consistent with evidence. He is openly willing to accept the votes of racists and other bigots, unlike most politicians who try to pretend they only want the very most purest votes. Trump repeatedly panders to the worst of us.
That doesn’t seem safe to me. To much overly complex justification when a far simpler explanation - that he’s an opportunist and bigot and probably a racist but not actually anti-Jewish - is available. William of Occam and all that…
Right, completely agree! If Trump’s willing to court antisemitic backers yet is not himself anti-Jewish, that’s certainly not unique and requires no special explanation. In fact that willingness is also displayed by the government of the state of Israel, as previously noted, and at least one of that state’s founders, who aren’t generally considered anti-Jewish.
That’s exactly what’s going on here, though - there’s a perfectly feasible explanation for either view, and there’s no need to make ad hominem attacks against anyone who doesn’t share someone else’s opinion.
@gracchus, tagging you here because I think my response to @nemomen serves also as a reasonable response to you. I’m going to bow out, having had my say.
In the end I think that we’ll all have to make our own decisions; I certainly see the anti-semitic dog-whistles in the other images @nemomen posted, but I didn’t see a “message of hate for Jews” in Rob’s post. I voted against Trump this morning so in the end I don’t need to believe he is an anti-semite or anti-Jewish in order to be opposed to his person, his campaign, or his election.
[quote=“Nobby_Stiles, post:188, topic:88859, full:true”]I don’t really buy the TRump anti S meme. He might be but he might equally not be.
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Let me explain it this way: he’s probably a casual anti-Semite (see below) whose campaign is pandering to hardcore anti-Semites with ads like this. Since right-wing populists around the globe and throughout history regularly use this tried-and-true approach to attract their Know-Nothing supporters, it should be cause for concern for American liberals and progressives that it’s being rolled out by a duopoly campaign in this election and that the candidate seems untroubled by it.
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That doesn’t seem safe to me. To much overly complex justification when a far simpler explanation - that he’s an opportunist and bigot and probably a racist but not actually anti-Jewish - is available.[/quote]
Assuming casual anti-Semitism on his part does seem safe in the larger context of his casual (and sometimes more than casual) racism toward African-Americans and Hispanics and Asians and his casual (I hope not more than casual) bigotry toward Muslims. That’s before we get to the influence of a father who was caught at a KKK meeting and who taught Donny how to keep “undesirables” out of their properties and his personality, the development of which was arrested around age 11.
It doesn’t matter that he makes a few exceptions for “the good ones” like his daughter or Don King or the “taco trucks on every corner” guy (really anyone who kisses his arse) or that he sometimes promotes positive stereotypes about the “little guys in yamulkes.”
In the end, whether you believe he’s a casual anti-Semite or not, what I explained above to Nobby Stiles remains the bigger issue.
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Projectile vomiting – feature, not bug!
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Someone tell Max that Fleischer subsequently rescinded his endorsement of Trump. Apparently there are some things that will gag a maggot.
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No, they won’t. This is about population genetics. The distinction is extremely important. Basically, the genetic markers do not identify an individual as being Jewish; you could find another individual with the same genetic markers who had a non-Jewish ethnicity. However, taking the population as a whole, the frequency of such markers may be different from the mean in a sub-population that defines as Jewish. What’s more, if I was to select from the population as a whole people who had all of those markers but were not Jewish, I would have a non-Jewish subset that scored higher for those markers than the “Jewish” subset!
The misunderstanding of population genetics versus individual genetics is so common that I think it needs pointing out. Unusually I think I find myself in agreement with @Israel_B on the subject.
[edit - deleted as I wish to cause no more offence, which is what I seem to be doing, unintentionally.]
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Thanks, I did not know that. So I guess he is no longer a Kapo? Come to think of it, calling them that was in itself a serious slur.
