Others will try it, but I’m unsure if any of his acolyte goons could be nearly as success at this as he has been…
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Would you see him sending in the thugs to try and intimidate us? Well, he tried that already. Maybe this time he’d mobilize just the military to prevent us from voting in the next election…
I don’t want to just keep going back-and-forth on this with people but what I’m saying is yes, what you said It’s probably what he is thinking and what he would do etc. etc. but what I think that actual sentence that he spoke is he was telling the “Christian” people that he is going to solve all the things they have a problem with so they never need to worry again about those “problems.” Which is dumb, dangerous, and also horrible and reprehensible.
You’re skipping over the key part, which is when he said they wouldn’t need to vote again.
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At the danger of evoking Godwin’s Law, I’m currently reading Bettina Stangneth (Eichmann Before Jerusalem) and this quote struck me:
“Power is a phenomenon created by group dynamics…Eichmann and his colleagues quickly learned how useful a Führer-like figure can be, as a focal point for gathering power.”
I don’t think this is a case of Godwin’s Law given that there is a history connecting then (e.g. the German American Bund) and now…
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He has corporate media and the entire Republican party in his thrall to “explain” all the reasons why he didn’t actually say what he just said. They will explain why it was a joke (from the world’s most un-funny man), or it’s taken out of context (despite the context being clear), or some other nonsense.
Maybe he truly doesn’t understand what he’s saying, and he says all kinds of shit just because he knows it’ll get a certain response. That’s pretty frightening too!
I’m of the mind that he knows exactly what he’s saying and whether or not he believes in those things, he’ll make them a reality because he just doesn’t care about anything other than advancing his own power at the cost of anything else.
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… it’s been amended
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No, that is what I’m saying. He is telling them that he will solve all their “problems“ so they won’t need to worry about politics ever again. of course that is dumb, but he says some really fucking dumb things.
TY so much for that!!
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I get what you’re saying - Trump frequently says things that are ambiguous (because he’s spouting gibberish, dog whistling, or just being inarticulate), and could be read various ways (and then Trump often denies meaning what he clearly did mean). This is not one of those cases, though - what he means is also the only way to interpret what he’s saying.
He acknowledges he’s speaking specifically to (right-wing) “Christians,” and he’s promising them things that have been denied them (e.g. the end of abortion rights, etc., because they’re not popular positions). On top of which, he’s not just promising that he’ll “fix” it all, but that they’ll never have to vote again - which only makes sense if no one else has the power to subsequently change what he’s done. He’s spent the last three years decrying the changes Democrats have made to his policies, we can’t pretend, even for the sake of argument, that he doesn’t understand policies can be reversed. Which means that implicit in his promise is the premise that democracy won’t be functioning after he’s done. The most charitable interpretation of his promise still requires the end of democracy.
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No, he literally said, word for word, they need to vote this election and then they don’t ever need to vote again. Period. There is no way to spin his actual words as being anything other than ending elections (or at least free and fair elections).
This isn’t out of the blue. It’s in Project 2025. It what all the “strongmen” he admires do - Putin, Orbán, Kim, etc.
Please stop trying to gaslight us about this. It’s sickening.
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You’re assuming “fixed” must mean “repaired, as in a fixed problem” as opposed to “set down in an unchangeable way, as in a fixed election”. But why on earth is that the only or even natural reading for someone who spends all his time praising dictators and deriding free elections as being rigged against him? Especially since as Duke points out not needing to vote again only makes sense with the second meaning, and not the one you are arguing for?
I swear, if Trump ever gives a speech about sending people to camps, we are going to have people telling us how they have such fond experiences of summer camps.
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I don’t know why everyone is arguing about this. It was pretty obvious in 2016 that Trump was a menace to society, and by 2020 he had conclusively proved it to anyone with a brain cell. Things have only gone downhill since then, with his multiple fraud convictions, and so on, even without the many serious crimes of his supporters.
Every second we spend debating whether Trump meant something good or bad by this or that or the other, is a second wasted from kicking his shitty party in the balls repeatedly with full force.
Dump Trump analysis and get to kicking.
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Godwin already say it wasn’t (about the MAGA movement in general), so you’re good.
I see that @smulder beat me to it!
He’s a fascist. He’s saying fascist things. He’s telling his audience and the rest of us, that he plans to stay in office if he wins… I don’t understand why you refuse to believe him.
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Twice. Literally his own words. These are the literal words he spoke. It is time to take him at his words quite literally. No charitable interpretations based on the 1/6 chance the usage of “fixed” was nonsensically incongruent with the context in which it occurred “You don’t need to vote again because the election will be…” This is the most contextually accurate read imo.
Once he is in power it will be “fixed” and no one will need to vote again. It’s not subtle. It is the literal read of the actual words he used. There’s no game here. I don’t understand how some one can read meaning into those words that defies the most common usage of all of those words.
No, he’s not saying he will make things good. He’s saying you will not need to vote again because it will be “fixed” after this. Take him at his word and put the rosy interpretations aside.
I’m done with the stupid word games people play with this asshole. It’s just mean girl doubletalk. It’s not even that deep just hs bully shit. If he means something better than the most direct read of his shitty rambling then get a candidate that can communicate in something other than demented fascist dog whistles then. But we all know demented fascist dog whistles are the best their platform has to offer people.
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Because it’s not just the New York Times and CNN trying to “translate” T****’s fascist utterings into reasonable-sounding, not-fascist language but fellow commenters here on the BBS.
Normalizing the horrific.
The only reason there is any “argument” is that the person doing so ignored the first dozen times people said it nicely and cited evidence and kept doing so.
What is it we should be doing with our time?
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I see everyone (correctly) gets the fascist bits, but I want to point out just how weak he is, this is the “wheedling salesman” strategy here. “Look, I just need one measly signature on this form here, then I’ll leave you alone. Just one more signature, and you won’t have to sign anything any more.”
The asshole is losing, and he is sweating about it. He is saying the quiet part out loud because he’s desperate, the walls are closing in. So let’s make sure this cheap fraud who wants to be a dictator loses, and loses badly.
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Ignore them, ghost them, and get onto something more productive.
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