Trump vs Obama: dealing with protesters

Do none of you remember the extremely violent crackdown on Occupy? And that it was coordinated at the national and local levels by the Obama administration? Since when do politicians’ sound bites, good or bad, have much at all to do with actual, real-world policies?

To boot, consider one of the protester examples in the Obama segments. They chant, “No more deportations!” to a president whose administration broke all previous records for immigrant deportations. Recently, ICE raided immigrant homes in January targeting mainly women and children. Many immigrants in the US, like some of those talked about in the article that I just linked, have fled violence in Honduras after the US-backed coup there in 2009. Again, Hillary Clinton, who basically all of the commentators in this thread will vote for when Sanders doesn’t get the nomination, helped support the coup government as Secretary of State.

Obama even pressured the Yemeni government to keep a journalist in jail for reporting on secret bombings carried out by the U.S., supposedly against Al Qaeda, which actually just killed civilians (fourteen women and twenty-one children).

Generally Obama has been a vocal supporter of drone bombings, the victims of which are overwhelmingly women and children. In fact, Obama loves killing civilians so much that he has started calling any military-age males in a strike zone “militants” in order to avoid counting civilian deaths, and most media outlets have enthusiastically followed suit.

Speaking of which, if Obama is so tolerant of dissent, then why has he carried out his infamous “war on whistleblowers,” prosecuting more people under the 1917 Espionage Act than all previous presidents combined?

The list of horrible crap goes on. But for the sake of brevity I’ll stop there.

Really, who gives a shit how polite Obama can be to hecklers and protesters during live speeches when this is what his administration is actually doing? He can smile all he wants, but he is a monster just like Trump.

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As Obama correctly points out in that video, he was blocked from preventing immigrant deportations by Congress.

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One would think it might, but:

“Some rough guys like we have right in here… and they started punching back.”

does not exactly translate into:

“Seit fünf Uhr fünfundvierzig wird jetzt zurückgeschossen.”

It is just a similar concept.

I want you to list a single instance where Obama has addressed a crowd and instructed everyone to harm a dissenter.

I’ll wait. But I’m not holding my breath. Because you’ll never find an instance of that.

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Okay, but having Luther do his dirty work doesn’t disavow him of responsibility…

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Nope… I’ll vote for Jill Stein, actually.

But then again, I agree with you on everything else you just said there!

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Yet he still managed to ship some of them back and several have been killed since they got to their country of origins. And there were indeed a wave of raids, of mostly women and children, a couple of months back. The local NPR station actually covered it. Many of them may still be in detention, but some have already gone back.

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I’m confused; does that have something to do with something I said? If so, how?

Let me clarify what you seem to be implying here, or really what I’m inferring:

“Trump’s not doing anything different than what Obama did. You’re just excusing the guy you like.”

When in reality, Obama never told a crowd to, for instance, “knock the hell out of” a dissenter.

Saying Obama supporters and Trump supporters are all the same and do the same stuff and use the same tactics is simply untrue. And you should know better.

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R-E-S-P-E-C-T find out what it means to me.

Because the 1% don’t get arrested?

But observe the following:

  1. I am not accusing Bernie Sanders of personally inciting the shut down of a Trump campaign rally.

  2. I do not believe that any Trump supporters, for all their supposed propensity to violence, have attempted to shut down the campaign events of any other candidate. I will gladly stand corrected if shown wrong.

No other candidate is inspiring apt comparisons to you-know-who.

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Vince McMahon?

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Personally, if someone attempted to disrupt an event which I had organized and paid for, my response would be:

“Fuck. You. You want to speak, go find your own venue.”

And I would have security and/or police eject them, with the minimum of force but quickly and decisively.

If Bernie Sanders, or anyone else, were to do the same at any of their events, I would be one hundred percent supportive.

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Same way as Congress. Secret service ‘escorts’ them out.

[quote=“LDoBe, post:29, topic:75136”]
Let me clarify what you seem to be implying here, or really what I’m inferring:

“Trump’s not doing anything different than what Obama did. You’re just excusing the guy you like.”[/quote]

That seems like a pretty far extension of what I actually said, and certainly not what I intended. I thought I was just pointing out why Trump’s supporters won’t have a problem with this behavior.

And I’ve never claimed Obama’s done anything so ineffectual or small-scale as inciting riots at campaign rallies- instead he’s ordered the death of thousands, which is very different from Trump’s petty posturing.

I’m still voting for Jill Stein in the general. In the primary I’ll probably go Kasich, if he lasts that long.

I’m gonna miss them all. Especially FLOTUS. She is a gracious, strong, beautiful woman.

A link to the Timber, eh?

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