Unless I’m misunderstanding your point, it would definitely still be bothsiderism. Dems objected to insecure voting machines because they could be hacked to disenfranchise voters. Republicans have pushed insecure voting machines for the same reason. They object to the Dominion systems specifically because they didn’t magically produce the result they wanted. Not because of security or insecurity (well, plenty of that, but on the part of the GOP, not the machines).
So it’s the motive where you’re most wrong. Getting as many people to vote as possible, and making that vote as secure as possible, that’s the only “hack” Dems need.
I should be crystal clear: I’m not saying that, if the law were applied correctly and fairly, Rittenhouse would be acquitted. I am saying that there are a lot of folks who might not sympathize with Rittenhouse, but most definitely don’t sympathize with the people he killed. And there’s a chance some of those folks end up on the jury. Wood is a ghoul and a grifter at this point (he wasn’t always, which is sad), but he knows that.
How is a GA lawyer representing someone in Wisconsin? I mean, some lawyers hold licenses in more than one state, but usually they are near by. Like KS and MO for Kansas City, or NY and NJ.
Yes, apparently you are misunderstanding my point.
I pointed out that Republicans used to support voting machines, which I consider a bad idea in general, but that apparently they don’t support voting machines that they didn’t hack.
In other words:
Proper motive for opposing voting machines: they’re pointless and potentially dangerous
Republican motive for opposing voting machines: “we didn’t manage to manipulate them in our favor”.
I am completely puzzled as to what you managed to read into my post.
There’s a type of temporary admittance to the state bar called pro hac vice where an out-of-state attorney can appear in a case, partnered with a local counsel.
Lin Wood is a hack litigator. He is totally out of his depth in a serious high profile criminal legal matter. I don’t see him having the wherewithal to pull that off. He isn’t going to be able to pull off the crap that works at fundraisers.
If its like the Trump election cases, he probably won’t even be able to get the procedures down right and put out vaguely competent work. I see a shitshow on the horizon and Kyle probably trying to bail on Wood.
The most recent reporting is that the people around him were literally telling him that he’d won and he shouldn’t worry about it. So he did not actually know the details of what was happening or that it meant he had lost.
Just whatever talking points and conspiracy theories he picked up from his daily fsr right media binges.
It’s likely that the washyness of the result down ballot is why the GOP as a whole is still behind Trump. It’s not a wholesale repudiation so there isn’t an impetus to throw him under the bus. But it was very close, and pissing off his fan base is a pretty damn good way to get pushed over the edge.
With the Georgia recalls looming they can’t afford to even gesture at backing away slowly.
Seems like that chunk of their base has become a liability in it’s own right. Actual coup was likely the only way to keep them from eating their own tail.
Faster counting and increased redundancy.
A pen and a sheet if paper is great. Unless some one walks off with all the sheets of paper. And until you’re counting 161 million votes, multiple times, in 400+ individual districts, under 50 different rule sets and trying to collate it all into a result before society implodes on itself.
The way you structured your first post in this thread, by italicizing “Republicans,” you were contrasting them to the opposing party, the Democrats. By saying “this time it’s party B not party A that’s boycotting voting because of insecure voting machines, then going on to say such a protest is only due to not being able to hack them, that structure captures both Dems and the GOP in the structure of wanting machines only they could hack.
I understand now that’s not what you meant, but it sounded like it, and made even more so by the fact that it is something that has been said outright many times, even though it’s not true.
In the past week, I’ve seen dozens of trolls on Fox News forums sarcastically urging Georgia Republicans to sit out the “rigged” election. And now, actual Republicans are saying the same thing. Poe’s Law needs yet another corollary.
With all this focus on signatures and ID and secure ballots it almost feels like Trumpers are about to start advocating for national ID cards or even better, microchips under our skin. How they went from the “don’t tread on me” screamers to the “please take my thumbprint and my ID and write my name on my ballot” screamers is beyond me.
A) Go look up “hanging chad”, B) think about penmanship. C) Consider how often we’d hear “I filled in the wrong box, but I crossed it out and filled in the other one.” as opposed to touching a name on a screen, seeing a screen that says “You voted for XXXXXX”, and then getting a piece of paper that says the same thing before you turn THAT in as your vote.
Like that worked so well that the whole world now admires America for their ability to count votes.
Consider these two questions:
How long does it take to cook one egg?
How long does it take to cook ten eggs?
Don’t cook your eggs one after another, and don’t put all your eggs into one basket.
It works perfectly fine to have the poll workers at a polling station count the votes. All political parties can make sure they have volunteers among the poll workers. They can supervise each other and arrive at a consensus vote count within a few hours.
Then, pass the numbers up the chain and make them public so that any mistakes and any attempts at fraud are caught. Simple, effective, and proven.
The size of the country doesn’t really matter. The average US state is comparable to a smallish European country, and adding up 50 state results shouldn’t take more than a few minutes on top of that.
I followed that on the news. And whether the machines are punch card machines or electronic, I lump it together under “unnecessary technology that Americans use to make their elections more of a headache”.
“Tick the box” is not a test for penmanship.
Well, we vote on paper in my country, and that really isn’t an issue. The challenge is to “make marks on a piece of paper in such a way that the people who count the vote can know what you voted for”. It’s really not that hard, even Austrians manage to do that without complaining about it, and as a nation, we are just about the best complainers on the planet.
Along with the long history of missing and stuffed ballots, manipulated counts, etc in the US. Most of it revolving around public corruption and suppression/exclusion of minorities.
Another important note is those hanging chads were on machine read ballots (badly designed ones). Basically old fashioned computer punch cards. Cause voting machines aren’t new. My state used mechanical voting machines starting in the 60’s.
The protests against voting machines starting in the 00’s were focused on networked, insecure machines that don’t create the sort of redundancy or record of the actual input that lets you check the machine.
Georgia’s machines basically use a machine to fill in a bubble sheet/scantron ballot to make sure they’re readable by humans and the seperate counting machines. They’re not generally the sort of vote machine people were (and are) concerned about.
On top of that the right wing concerns about these aren’t about general security or the disposition of our voting system.
It’s that China secretly bought the manufacturer, after they were manufactured. And helped a dead Latin American Socialist infect them with Antifa at the behest of Hillary Clinton.
when people believe the system doesn’t work, they tend to take radical action. so by saying “don’t vote” they’re also implying “do something else.” and the group they’re targeting includes violent extremists.
and the reason they’re doing so is…
the left has won the arguments for equality and equity on the merits. they’ve won the arguments on global warming on the merits. on broken policing. on corporate malfeasance. on taxes. on health care. on women’s right to bodily autonomy. and on.
so the only recourse for the right is dispute the existence of facts or disrupt the process.
there’s nothing to do except keep pushing back. getting democratic control of the senate is part of that, but definitely not the only thing that needs doing.
The senate is never republican because more people wanted it to be republican. If the US wanted democracy, they would upend the system they have in favour of something a lot more proportional.
Canada uses paper ballots scanned into a scantron machine when you complete them. now, it’s 1/10th the population but it’s spread widely, and Canadians know in less than an hour after the election closes who won the election. And they then follow up with a recount that is completed - nationwide - by the next afternoon.
The key is a competent, robust polling org with sane policies, and scaling out so that each precinct is small and easily managed. The tech is nearly irrelevant.
