It’s not impossible but it’s hardly as trivial as the glib comments make it sound. This is especially true because, as others have pointed out, school start times typically correlate with work start times, so meaningful school start changes run the risk of creating serious backlash among affected families. So, school boards tend to tread very carefully.
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Of course it’s possible. However, I’m not gonna agree with permanent DST until it has been actually done.
Standard time is fine, though. If you want to have more daylight in the evening, get up and to work earlier. Problem solved.
Oh, absolutely. The question is when they fixed them then, did they do it the right way, or did they make things worse for anyone working on the thing in the future?
That should be no problem for people, just tell your boss you need more daylight so you’re going to start earlier.
I don’t think that’s how employment works but you never know.
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Yep. This is one of the situations that–because it is wholly dependent on a state’s physical location–is perfectly suited for decision by state governments.
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It’s basically the “just do it and the market will adjust"-approach. Just on an individual level.
Thing is, I am absolutely unwilling to cooperate here with the people who aren’t on flextime or those who are but aren’t willing to get up early as long as a large percentage of them - at least in my experience – give a rat’s ass about what permanent DST would mean for kids and teenagers going to school, especially in regions were 7:30 is deemed “normal”.
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I keep forgetting this is an international board.
Here in the US… Flextime? That’s funny. Here in the US the average worker works when they’re told or they don’t get paid.
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It’s ridiculous.
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It seems apropos to say, “Even a broken clock is right twice a day.” In Rubio’s case, twice a year. I’m all for this, and hope the House passes it and Biden signs it before it somehow becomes a toxic QAnon meme or a partisan bludgeon.
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That’s why we need to incrementally keep changing the time, by minutes/seconds every day to keep noon noon.
Make Noon Noon Again!
My dad died on the switch (heart attack). My aunt says that death rates are elevated on that day, and I was against it before. We need permanent DST (and just shorter school days - kids are sleep deprived in the spring, too)
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In my experience this would just lead to working extra hours without pay.
A lot of jobs this wouldn’t even be possible, since you wouldn’t even have access to work. I’ve actually been penalized for starting late so I could end late, because that’s when the work needed to be done. Even where a contract specified 8 hours and a flexible schedule.
Start early and work late, without compensation or find another job.
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This thread has gone exactly how all DST threads go. 
The perfect blend of:
- Cheers
- Sneers
- People who think they agree but actually don’t on key deal-breaker details
- Historical and US-bashing pedants
- People pushing ever-more-complicated hare-brained schemes
- People managing to twist DST into whatever their unrelated pet issue is
- Person making pompous lists, pretending to be above the fray
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I think a lot of people have covered it here, but is an 8 hour work day even a thing anymore (at least in the US)? I work 7am-4pm, sometimes to 5. I don’t exactly care about DST. I also don’t care about the sun coming up earlier. I’m already leaving the house at 6:15, so it’s dark. For about a month there will be a tiny sliver of sun light. It’s nice not to step outside at 4:30pm and already have the sun setting. But for young kids having the sun going down at 9pm makes an early bed time harder. There are no winners here.
As far as the kids go…yeah I guess a little later start time wouldn’t be bad - but as everyone has pointed out that has to be reasonable. Our elementary school kid gets to school around 7:30-7:40. On the flip side he’s an early riser, most days up before 7am. Back when I was in high school it was a 7:30am start and out at 2:15pm. That at least left enough time if you want to have an after school job. Now kids are getting out 3:30-4pm, which isn’t enough time for anything. My college classes could start at 8:10…sure no one really wanted that time, but as a freshman it’s wasn’t like you had a lot of choices either. And then you get to the real world…where the vast majority of people aren’t setting their own hours.
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My experience is that with an exempt job, any given day can go one of two ways.
- Starts early and ends late.
- Starts late and ends early.
The more of the second you can manage in your life vs the first, the happier you’ll be. There is rarely a day in the middle.
They’re the same thing. It’s not a bizarre hack because changing the reported time is the mechanism by which the government gets everyone to change their working hours at the same time.
The solution you propose (leaving the time the same but changing working hours at set times of the year) would have the same societal impacts (esp. re: health and safety) as changing the clocks because there would still be a time at which everyone’s sleep schedules change.
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- People posting irrelevant rock videos, which are awesome.
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Again, the current system forces almost all Americans to change their clocks twice a year to deal with a problem that only impacts people in the northern parts of the country.
We don’t expect people in Montana to adjust their clocks or their sleep schedules to accommodate those who live in northern Alaska, so why should we expect people in the Florida Keys to adjust their clocks or sleep schedules to accommodate those who live in Montana?
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