Now Ohio, where I went to 6th grade to learn Ohio history, I’d knock that out of the park.
However, reading “Ohio has adopted an official salute to the flag and a 17-step procedure for folding it.” I’m thinking that someone cares about the Ohio flag a lot more than I do. I mean, 17 steps? I can’t even manage folding fitted sheets when my mom visits.
Verily, it is baffling that the response to this massacre seems to be this sudden unquenchable desire to… take down a flag. Even John Stewart’s rather touching (and much circulated) piece on the Daily Show seemed weighted towards the flag and the street names.
Will they be removing copies of the Dukes of Hazard boxed set as well?
Interestingly, the elementary school I went to when I lived in Mississippi is apparently one of the 9 schools that the Atlantic article says are named after Jefferson Davis. While, I still live in the south in North Carolina, I thankfully no longer live in Mississippi. The neighborhood my mother lives in here in North Carolina has every single street named after confederate generals and war heroes. It’s all kind of fucked up, but the craziest thing to me is that what we know as the confederate flag was only ever flown as a battle flag and never officially recognized as a flag of the Confederate States of America.
Would you still be baffled if it were a flag with a white hood on it? Not everyone can look at the battle flag of a rebel nation that made slavery its cornerstone, since often used in opposition to civil rights movements, and see only the Dukes of Hazzard.
So in response to this latest massacre, we should cry out yet again, and yet again just as uselessly, for more gun control?
Yes, guns are a problem, and many people are saying so yet again this time. But so is white supremacist murder and terrorism. And so is a general cultural environment that condones and even sometimes sanctions THAT problem.
This mass shooting differs from many others in that it was clearly motivated by white supremacist hate, and that hate has many sources and forms of support, including a racist and in some places ubiquitous flag.
If you find efforts to focus on the flag (efforts which are made by almost no one who doesn’t think guns are not also a problem), you’re the one who’s “baffling.”
Exactly. To many black observers, it’s a symbol of hatred, for them. And of terror.
[quote=“milliefink, post:25, topic:60266”]If you find efforts to focus on the flag (efforts which are made by almost no one who doesn’t think guns are not also a problem), you’re the one who’s “baffling.”[/quote]It’s right there in the post:
There was a gathering sense of unease already on Monday, a worry that the focus on removing the flag might provide a too-easy exit for leaders in South Carolina to declare victory and move on without grappling with deeper, systemic strains of racism in a state where the black poverty rate is nearly three times as high as the white rate; black incarcerations rates are nearly four times as high; black arrest rates are disproportionately high; and black high-school graduation rates lag white rates.
[quote=“milliefink, post:25, topic:60266”]This mass shooting differs from many others in that it was clearly motivated by white supremacist hate[/quote]I was not left with the impression that this mass shooting was particularly less motivated by mental illness than usual, or that other mass shootings were particularly less motivated by hate. But it could well be that I haven’t been following the story closely enough.
Sure, but it is a focus on white supremacist hate. It’s a start on a problem that’s one example of what’s also exemplified by those other systemic problems. Yes, some might address this one form of racism and move on, but some might also be encouraged to go from this one to some of the others. And it’s not like leaders in South Carolina are already grappling mightily with other deep, systemic strains of racism.
Got some muskets and shit on there, but it hasn’t been used since the horrors of the 1860s.
Current flag, adopted in 1900 (again, from Wikimedia Commons, but you get no linky):
If you’re worried about the crossed red bars, that’s because the flag was adopted from the design of the Empire of Spain when it flew over the state back in the 1500s. And THAT old flag looks like this:
So SUCK IT, Mississippi, Georgia, South Carolina, et.al.
Florida’s flag is similar to Alabama’s, consisting of a state seal over a red cross. The cross was added to the flag a few years after Alabama adopted its flag, at the suggestion of Governor Francis P. Fleming. Fleming had enlisted in the Confederate army in his youth, and some historians see his choice of the cross as an attempt to memorialize the confederacy.
The red cross of the Alabama flag, adopted in 1895, was designed to evoke the battle flag of the Alabama infantry in the Civil War. That’s according to a written account of the flag’s history given by the attorney general of Alabama in 1987.
Now, whether Florida really is trying to evoke “the battle flag of the Alabama infantry in the Civil War” might be trickier.
I think lolipop was just being cute here. We’re discussing state flags here, so you might lighten up a little. I’m from bleedin’ Kansas, and probably no state full of white folks hates that traitor rag more than us. And don’t knock lolipop’s state flag in this discussion, cuz West Virginia fuckin SECEDED from the confederacy. “Mountaineers always free”, indeed.