Warren endorses Biden

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#75

I have no problem with that, provided that:

  1. You are working locally to elect the most progressive candidates in your local area.
  2. You are meeting with your neighbors (either by holding meetings at your house or attending one of theirs) in an effort to coordinate actions on behalf of progressive candidates and causes
  3. You are attending public meetings with your locally elected representatives and writing letters (not emails) letting them know the critical importance of your causes, both from a personal as well as a political point of view.
    If those of us reading this are doing those things, then yes, screw the DNC. However, too many of us are more involved in the spectator sport of politics and liberal causes than in the doing hard, thankless work of self-governance.

Win or lose in November (and I sincerely hope that the Democratic Party wins), every progressive cause will need to be pushed at the local level.

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#78

No, absolutely not. I am a Citizent in a Democracy. I owe it to myself, my country, and fellow countrymen past present & future to vote for the candidate that best represents me. I am not a corporation, I am a human being. I need a candidate that will vote human beings best interests not the best interests of inanimate objects. You have confused elites buying your vote with elites buying my vote, my vote was never for sale.

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#84

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#90

TLDR: Please share facts with me, see bottom of my post for my response to said facts asked for…

"I’m gonna ask you for evidence, there, since he explicitly addressed taking Bernie’s points into consideration.
Actually, I think you are only technically right in that the platform is now moot. It’s the platform after the convention that matters.

Editing to add that it would be extremely rare for a candidate to modify his or her platform after all other contenders have dropped out. The only purpose of the platform is to highlight differences in philosophy, and without any other contenders there is no need to modify any more…"

#100

Getting back to the topic (& it’s interesting to me that this topic brings out so many irrelevant, illogical comments along with spurious arguments), I’m sad about this. But I respect Elizabeth Warren for doing the right thing.

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#101

Look, most people here aren’t enthused about Uncle Joe being the nominee. Heck, the few who do support him and his Third Way stance are pretending they don’t because it’s obvious how out-of-touch he and the DNC establishment are and how unsustainable their business-as-usual policies are in the face of global warming and inequality.

That said, it looks like we’re stuck with him as the nominee and with a de facto duopoly party system. We also know how manifestly much more awful (read: way more than 3.12%) his opponent is, and the kind of damage he can do given a second term.

Petulant and privileged* brocialists may not grasp or care about these facts, but adults like Warren and Sanders do. I hope there will be enough voters who’ll take their cue and decide to hold their nose for Biden in November.

[* most of these man-children are white cis-het males, frequently from middle-class backgrounds]

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#102

Yes I care that they are finally flipping states back in their favor, after a decade-plus of losing over a thousand state offices.

I also cared when they changed the rules mid-election to let a billionaire buy his way onto the debate stage.

I also care when they threatened to reduce delegates for states that sought to delay their primaries in the face of a pandemic.

Now, do I care about their involvement in the lawsuit that you purport they are helping with in a “carefully controlled fashion” that resulted to the exposure of the Hoeffler documents? I do not. But mainly because that lawsuit was filed by Common Cause.

#110

At the request of and in response to every other candidate in the field publicly demanding they do so, and with their explicit consent.

They did not.

They publicly posted the pre-existing and already agreed to rules set at the previous convention. Which already featured a deadline in early June where such would happen.

In the context of a statement about how they were working on changing that and calling for states to adopt vote by mail to side step the issue entirely and also solve the eventual general election problem.

More than one lawsuit was involved in that release. Including both federal suits filed by the Democratic house, and a law suit filed in Democrat controlled NY focused on the citizenship question. Getting that stuff out in legal fashion so it would be admissable in all cases was complex. More over Hoeffler’s daughter reached out to multiple parties with the documents including federal Democrats who were involved in coordinating the release in the background and referring her to the right peopl. And the DNC, the house and Democratic state governments have all been parties to Common Cause’s lawsuit through amicus briefs, financial and legal support. As was the ACLU, and as both have been for the DNC, Congress and State lawsuits.

There has been a slow, hard fought march through many suits, and other approaches. With many parties cooperating to start dismantling the GOP election theft machine. For years.

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#111

Everybody is doing what they think they have to do. Hope this shit show does not backfire on us like last time.

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#112

Every four years: Hold your nose and vote for the lesser of two evils.
We get the garbage candidates we deserve.
When will someone deserving be on the menu?

#113

If you’re one of the people who has lost or is likely to lose a family member due to Trump’s mishandling of the Covid-19 pandemic then your life isn’t just “3.12% more bad” than it would be under a competent-but-flawed Democrat. If your basic civil rights and body autonomy hinge on who is selected for the Supreme Court then the prospect of Trump win in 2020 isn’t just a tiny bit worse than the prospect of a Biden win.

This idea that the two options before us are only marginally different needs to die in a fire.

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#114

Can anybody honestly look at the absolute dumpster fire that is the Trump administration and say “Gee, a Biden Presidency will be just as bad?”

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#115

Republicans who don’t like Trump. They see both as bad, just in different ways - Biden will destroy a bunch of stuff they like, but Trump will do stuff they like while burning the government to the ground.

Decisions, decisions…

#116

If Creepy Uncle Joe selects an actually progressive running mate like Stacey Abrams, I’ll feel a helluva lot better about having to vote for him come November.

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#117

it’s going to be a long summer

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#118

Don’t get ahead of yourself, it’ll be a long spring.

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#119

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#120

200 more days of arguing about the Trolley Problem and who’s fault it is that we’re all tied to the tracks

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#121

I still think I’m most tired of being tied up next to Snidley Whiplash while he explains to me that he is actually on the trolly.

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