WATCH: Elizabeth Warren rescues Planned Parenthood, excoriates misogynist GOP creeps

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But grandstanding is what makes everyone feel good and snarky happy!

Thing is, if you feel morally superior, and you’re an asshole (most people in elected offices, it seems), then you grandstand, because you have the audacity and motivation to think you know better than others, and you aren’t to blame. So you owe your fellow citizens the “duty” of lecturing them on how full of shit they are. Of course, they are wrong.

But even people who care deeply about doing the right thing, and try to be selfless about it, end up doing it too. Because that route means no one pays attention to you. Even leads the first group to mock you for not trying to “be part of the solution” by doing what they say is right.

Eventually, even the second type of people cannot take being the constant underdog after years and years, and they see a spot of hypocrisy when it’s obvious, and grandstand to point it out, thinking it cuts their foes down. But in reality, they just join the first group.

Unless you are the persona of Jesus Christ incarnate, meaning ever aware, ever patient, ever understanding, ever tolerant- ie, a person that does not exist, you and no one else will ever break this cycle. Because if you don’t fit into either of the two groups above, you’re an indifferent uncaring plebe, just munching some popcorn watching the other two fight. But if you have any decency, you’d keep trying to.

Sorry, I don’t see any rationallity in any topic anymore- everyone’s become Trump to me. If that asshole can get a spot on a presidential debate, there’s no hope for a rational country left. Unless he’s laughed off stage.

The world- forget turtles. It’s futility and shitheads all the way down.

And now, I myself join the first group of assholes. It’s inevitable, see? There is no way out.

Enjoy Arbys.

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I can totally agree with you there!

Thanks for the further info and links.

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Just found this gif, and it’s too wonderful not to share:

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I think a more accurate portrayal of their beliefs would be

“People” or “Humanity” is a progressive lie designed to place the inferior races and the inferior sex on a equal footing with “white men.”

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Watched the clip- Bravo, Elizabeth.

Sad to see her have to resort to this basic sort of firebrand stump speech, but apparently no one has been paying attention to the issues she mentions. I always liked her more factual and calm demeanor, as she was one of the few people left in office of anything that acted like an adult.

I have nothing against voting for a female president at all- just Hillary. She deliberately used private email servers illegally to shield herself from something. Elizabeth Warren, I’d happily vote for. She’d make a hell of a rational president. This woman actually understanding and presenting issues in her normal fashion makes Donald Trump’s offhand cracks as campaigning look like a rational parent trying to shut up a screaming petulant child in comparison.

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I’d vote for Hilary if I thought she wasn’t effectively GOP with Abortion Rights. I mean, she believes in drone strikes, probably wouldn’t close Gitmo, and loves the NSA.

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I’m with you, but whatsisface screamed at me upthread for suggesting a Warren run. :slight_smile:

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Three places I’d rather see her than in the White House:

  1. Head of the SEC
  2. Attorney General
  3. Supreme Court Justice
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No, I’m quite happy to dive into that argument with every intention of winning.

We chose to abort because our child (which we desperately wanted and cared for) would have had horrific genetic defects- Not the kind of defects that would make life difficult, but the kind that would result in a lifespan measured in hours, not days.

We didn’t have a choice in whether our baby lived or died. Our “choice” was to prevent our child from certain and needless suffering, or to risk a third trimester miscarriage so that we could bring a human life into the world for the sole purpose of watching it suffer and die- An option which, I might add, came with a likely 6 figure price tag which would have financially crippled us for life.

That’s what these people are fighting against: The right of a parent to do what they believe is best for their child in the worst of circumstances.

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Meanwhile, if you view this (non) issue on Fox News, you’ll hear about the Planned Parenthood “controversy”, much like the climate change “controversy” and the evolution “controversy.”

Or, as a dog would say SQUIRREL.

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Fucking useless shitegobs. @anon67050589: Rinse and repeat that last sentence I wrote.

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The Democrats are not a liberal or socialist party, they are a conservative party who liberals and socialists join and vote for to try to keep the reactionaries out of power. It’s the same with the Labour party here in the UK.

I’m hoping that Bernie Sanders and Jeremy Corbyn win and change things for the better.

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Although the right wing would probably excoriate the so called conservative Democrats for lack of purity. I’m partial to Corey Robin’s depiction as conservatives as anti-liberals who admire and adopt the revolutionary’s sense of purpose, but are not interested in what actually motivates the democrat, the social reformer, the luminaire.

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The GOP weakens our military and country with draconian, corrupt foreign policies that enable profits for these people:

The GOP has made our country radically less safe and helped to create ISIS. Please don’t confuse their saber rattling rhetoric with strengthening our military.

It’s bullshit. It’s about corrupt profiteering and nothing more. If you want a stronger military for the American people, it’s time to remove the corruption from the military-industrial complex, not pump more money and senseless wars into it.

The problem with Hillary Clinton is (while not nearly as bad as the GOP) she’s a warmonger as well. That’s why I support Bernie Sanders who isn’t perfect, but is the only viable candidate who has a track record of standing up to the corrupt military-industrial complex.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/30/politics/bernie-sanders-middle-east-quagmire/

Agreed. And, also bad news for the American public who pays for it with their taxes and also becomes less safe in the process.

Agreed, but she’s not running for 2016. She’s made it very clear she’s not doing so. I’m fairly sure the reason she’s not running is due to the fact that she has very little foreign policy experience. She smartly is going to strengthen her experience first in that regard.

I like Al Franken overall, however he’s turned his back on progressives in regards to NSA spying. I suppose some of the psy-ops worked on him. Franken panders to progressives on spying, but overall supports the NSA.

Franken is a vastly worse choice than Bernie Sanders who truly will dismantle the NSA’s attacks on our civil rights instead of simply pandering to progressives on the matter.

Exactly, as a matter of fact Ready For Warren supports Bernie Sanders.

Warren is great, but you’re wasting your time.

@doctorow, you’re endorsing someone who is clearly NOT running for president in 2016.

Bernie Sanders IS running:

Bernie Sanders: ‘I will defend Planned Parenthood’

http://fusion.net/video/179749/bernie-sanders-i-will-defend-planned-parenthood/

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Corbyn is a huge threat to what matters most to the Blairites - their pay packets. Anyone who looks at them carefully, from the wardrobes of expensive clothes to the property empires, can see that. No power, no influence, no gravy. As the election end draws closer I expect all kinds of dirty tricks - just as were tried in the Scottish referendum where the Scots were basically threatened into a No vote. If the Blairites were African dictators they would simply have Corbyn arrested or assassinated; as it is I expect everything from trying to find a pretext to expel him from the party, to redo the election, or a threat by all the Blairite MPs to leave en masse and join the Liberal Democrats - as happened in the 1980s to found the Lib Dems themselves.

[edit - they seem to be focussing on trying to stop the election, because a few hundred entryists are a huge threat - but when Alastair Campbell calls for right wingers to sign up to vote, that’s OK.]

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I wish they would. They should.

I also wish that we’d had voting reform when the option was on the table (so thanks for opposing that too, Labour, worked out well for you) so that we can have lots of smaller parties rather than a pair of broad ones, and then form a coalition of like-minded parties governing on shared ground.

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This situation you describe incredibly awful. I’m not sure it wins the argument however. There’s a big difference between your choice and that made by a couple who choose to abort a Down syndrome child - and another big difference between that choice and the choice made by millions of people in traditional societies to abort females because they want a son. Etc etc.

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Unfortunately the 1600lb gorilla in the room is the Conservative Party and its voters, who will never really support smaller parties so long as the Conservatives remember:

  1. Persuade small businesses that they will only get rich by voting Conservative.
  2. Don’t upset landlords.
  3. Don’t upset rich people
  4. Don’t upset old age pensioners because they vote for us.

As in Greece, the one way the centre and the left will get back in power is if the government threatens pensions. I am retired with a balanced portfolio, and I am not a landlord, and as a result I can afford to exhibit my distinctly Corbynite views, but most English people don’t save and don’t invest, so they are very dependent on the State pension. (I could live without it but I am in a minority.) It’s not surprising therefore that a lot of older people vote Conservative; the Cons have convinced them that Labour would give all their pension money to single mothers with ten children on benefits.

Unless something could lever out the built in Conservative advantage (and Farage failed), a multiplicity of smaller parties will always lose because we don’t have PR. And the Conservatives know this, so we will never get PR.

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It’s a Supreme Court decision; it can’t be repealed, only obviated by a Constitutional amendment. The chances of that happening are… slim.

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I can’t “like” or “heart” that post. I’m sorry you had to go through that.

I believe that every woman has a choice to do whatever she wants or needs to with her own body, whether the reasons are good from the outside or not. No one gets to judge whether what you are doing is right for you except you.

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