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I generally liked Don’t Trust the Bitch in Apt 23; Chloe was the kind of over the top character that was fun to watch, (especially after Ritter’s grim role in BrBa.)

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Finally finished the last Sherlock. I don’t think can really call these seasons - maybe mini-series?

I think I liked episode 2 the best, then 3, and 1.

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My biggest problem with “Year of Hell” was that Kes told them to avoid the Krennim, and that is never mentioned in the actual episode(s).

Okay, yes, you could say “Well, maybe that warning got wiped out of the timeline,” but if you say that, then it applies to the events of the entire rest of the series. If one thing we watched never actually happened in their timeline, then who’s to say that any of it happened?

(Except that “Threshold” never happened, in any timeline, but that’s an exception with good reasoning behind it, because “Threshold” was stupid).

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Just watched the first episode on marriage. It’s beautiful.

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What I found is that if you grab a random episode of steven universe with no context, it feels kind of okay / kind of weird / kind of whatever. It’s a very different show when you watch a block of episodes together.

The real joy of the show is the relationships between the characters, and those relationships aren’t always obvious if you jump in at random

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Oh, she had some sort of premonition, right? That figures, the amount of redshirts that got obliterated in the original series and were never mentioned again. That’s the trouble with episodic tele in olden times i guess. What really bugged me is at the end when the timeline is reset but instead of making the same mistake and going through that area of space janeway decides to go around it.

Ugh. That’s the one where they evolve into giant salamanders. Truly awful. Did they use the delta flyer in the episode? I forget but it was a lovely little ship.

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Noted.

Just before she left the series, there was an episode that started with Kes dying of old age at nine years old (as her species does), and they tried a procedure to reverse her cell death. That triggered some particles from a Krennim warhead to send her jumping backwards in time into younger and younger bodies. It was kind of a send-off of the character before they actually sent her off.

One of the scenes that she re-lived was the Year of Hell (and the scene later got reprised in the actual Year of Hell episodes with Seven in Kes’s role).

After she got temporally stabilized, she warned Janeway to avoid Krennim space.

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What really bugged me is at the end when the timeline is reset but instead of making the same mistake and going through that area of space janeway decides to go around it.[/quote]

It kind of makes sense. At the beginning of the two-parter, the ship they’re up against is about as well-armed as a shuttlecraft, and they have a representative of another species there to tell them that the Krennim’s claim to the area is spurious. At the end, they’re up against a much more heavily armed version, so backing down makes sense.

We’re never shown the events that caused them to enter the area in the “these guys can actually hurt us” timeline.

That’s the one. I can’t remember if the Flyer was in it.

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That was several seasons before the delta flyer was built.
Eta if I remember correctly it was a shuttle called cochrane.

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Now i remember. The curse of episodic tv again, though not quite as severe as next generation.

This is what i can’t get my head around; if the timeline is reset then why is there a more heavily armed ship? Surely there should be exactly the same ship as the one they met originally, thus repeating the events of that first timeline.

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Because the episode starts after the first temporal incursion. The Krennim were a big power in the region until what’s-his-face wiped some species out of existence, which dramatically altered the balance of power in the region, and the guy spent years trying to fix it (because one of the colonies affected was the one where his wife and child lived). We only get to something resembling the original timeline after the time ship gets destroyed.

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Hmmm… i do know all that but i am still dubious; so… in effect, he could’ve just destroyed his own timeship and undone all he was trying to put right in the first place. I’d say the thought didn’t occur to him because plot convenience but anyway, everything within many light years of the timeship (including voyager) was caught in that temporal bubble. There’s also the teaser at the end where he leaves the timeship plans to be with his wife, now, did that occur in the original timeline? It really is a fool’s game trying to look for logic in trek plots involving time travel - wibbly wobbly timey wimey.

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Jeez, NOW are you all on board with my plan to ban time travel plots?

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Doesn’t bother me I’ve got temporal shields.

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all this time travel talk has me almost nostalgic for a really stupid sci-fi comedy that ran when i was like 6 or 7 called “it’s about time.” even at that age i recognized the stupidity of the show. i thought it was funny but in a stupid way, kind of the same way i felt about “gilligan’s island” at the time.

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Imogene Coca and Joe E. Ross are two of the funniest human beings ever to appear on television.

You’ll be please to learn that episodes of the show have been turning up on youtube.

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really? after i put up my comment i looked at the wikipedia entry for it and discovered it was created and produced by sherwood schwartz who, of course, also created and produced “gilligan’s island.” no wonder i regarded the type of humor as being so similar between the shows.

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I remember in the Before and After episode that someone mentions there are many possible future time lines and just because Kes saw one of them doesn’t mean that now that same one will occur in time. I would argue that changing anything means changing the future time line, by definition.

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Amazon has the first episode of Baskets up for free.

I watched it last night, enjoyed it enough to want to see the rest of the series. Have any of you seen it?

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