If this logic had held true in my youth, I’d be the fourth-generation pastor in my family. Yet here I am, an atheist, because self-determination led me to question what I was taught, and explore other options outside the teachings in my particular bubble.
I questioned everything I was taught and rubbed a lot of church members the wrong way, especially for being the pastor’s son.
Furthermore, if a slave was born into slavery, why would an uneducated slave make efforts to escape their “fate” if they had been taught from birth that this was meant to be?
I’m going to ignore the way that you simplified my comments, because it’s not productive.
I think you’re assuming that the only moral stance against slavery came from the (white, educated) abolitionist movement. It ignores the fact that many southerners would have been well aware in the 1830s of the Haitian revolution and of various slave uprisings that happened in the south after that. This would have been happening within their own social context, not in some distant place without slavery like Boston or Rochester.
And that changes the nature of race-based slavery how, exactly? New Orleans was in some ways a different world than the rest of the American south, because of the old world connections. Slavery there had more in common at first with that of Latin American countries, but came to look more like the system of one-drop race rules of the rest of the US. That does not change the fact that it was still a brutal system.
No one told you to do so. We’re talking about the context of it’s day.
It was never just in the south. There was never a time where whites from the north educated black people enslaved in the south about the evils of slavery because they lived it and were the primary people leading the anti-slavery movement on the ground from the beginning. They fought slavery via legal, cultural, and physical means the entire time. It took northern whites time to catch up with them, actually not the other way around.
So so this. You can’t “judge people by their times” while erasing the most significant people they actually dealt with in their times.
John Blake of CNN can go fuck himself:
With a cactus!
Ignatiev is quoted (as one of those trying to correct the record) in this PRI story
Yes,I absolutely expect subsistence farmers to have been aware of a revolution that took place nearly a thousand miles away and forty years prior. Because modern Americans are so completely aware of our having invaded Panama, or the Falkland Invasion by the UK.
You’re just reaching on that one, and you’re really projecting too much awareness on some of these people. Remember, these aren’t plantation owners we’re talking about. They may have spontaneously become empathetic people, but I doubt they spontaneously learned about world events.
And why did slaves know they were slaves? Uh, because in this period, the most recent ones from Africa were in 1808. We always seem like we’re talking about different times here. 1808-1830 isn’t terribly wrong.
You are hard-selling the idea that white people in Georgia were the most ignorant, unconnected people ever heard of, in our long line of humans on this earth.
I hope they had sympathetic people occasionally stop in from other states to tip their heads forward so they didn’t drown in the rain.
It’s hard to blame these human slave owning people for anything, when I just feel sorry for them, hopping around in their overalls because they put both legs in the same pant leg.
Hey, but be fair - what possible harm could be done by a racist [checks notes] doctor or legislator? It’s not like those jobs have any impact on other people’s… ability to live.
/sarcasm so heavy I’m crushed to a pulp underneath it; now ded
But who cares about those people… what happens to society if white men start to become afraid of the consequences of their choices!
Just a turtle, nothing to see here…
The difference here is Mitch is proud of this shit. Southern Heritage y’all!
(F him)
Referring to them as “black people” is something that you’re imposing. That is not how creoles were considered by anybody in New Orleans at the time. (Just an aside to point out the absurdity of racial boundaries)
Yes racial divisions and customs differ from place to place, and I have told many people that New Orleans history is a great way to learn about race in America. But treating people with basic human decency has always been part of morality in all the places described. So when it comes to many questions of diction, dress, or other social customs I wouldn’t fault anyone. When it comes to behavior that explicitly denigrates others, having different cultural norms just isn’t an excuse. Not then, not now.
What is the award that he is receiving out of curiosity? He looks happier than the guy bestowing it upon him. Giddy almost.
There had been gradual progress along the way.
In Upper Canada, John Simcoe couldn’t abolish slavery because United Empire loyalists from the American Revolution had been guaranteed their “property rights” by the crown. He passed the Act to Limit Slavery in Upper Canada , 1793. It was progress but still puke-worthy: No freeing of slaves, but blocked importation, freed the children of slaves at age 25, and their children were free from birth.
He was helped by the horrible incident of Chloe Cooley.
Since most of the people involved were military buds of Butler’s Rangers, I hate to think on how bad it must of been that, in a time of slavery, a free black man reported it to the Lieutenant Governor.
It didn’t end slavery, but it was a beginning of the end. In 1799, New York state followed suit with a similar law. When New York ended slavery in 1827, and the British Empire ended (most) slavery in 1833, it was economically moot already.
Here’s some relevant history:
If they are racists then they can fuck off.
That was a poor choice of words but it wasn’t a racist statement.
Not like the person that did the anti-Obama song “The Great Reneger” - you just know they chose that word specifically because it sounds like something else.
And fuck this two reply limit shit on Discourse.
If you’re referring to black actors in white face, let me introduce you to the concept of “punching up” versus “punching down”.
