“People don’t agree with me”.
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Actually no, I am able to read with a relatively high level of comprehension, thnx.
ETA: At the risk of sounding the Sea Lion Whistle, what I instead suspect is that s/he is denying and/or seeking to divert attention from, as I said above, in words of mine you quoted!, “the relevance of this particular pig-fucking in its particular national context.”
I think I’m about done with repeating myself here.
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Exactly. This is the reason I think we should distinguish between waving ones todger around and “having sex with” an animal.
In a world
- where assigning a student a challenging book to read gets called mental abuse,
- where asking where someones family is from is racism,
- where a wolf whistle is equated with rape,
- where peeing against a tree is treated identically as kiddie-fiddling,
…the terms get diluted.
If the real abusers, racists, rapists and paedophiles are lumped together with everyday transgressions, it makes it harder to take these things seriously, and draws attention away from actual issues.
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Yup, what apparently happened here is obscene, hypocritical, and paints an awful picture of a person. What it says about the Boys Clubs and the arrogance there is vivid.
Criticising them on their acts and their policies is the right thing to do. It sounds like nobody needs to make things up by mis-characterising the penis-poking actions. It’s bad enough as-is.
It would be sooo much more pleasant to participate in discussions here if people could take what is said at face value rather than “suspecting” that people are trying to “divert attention from” things.
I have explained my position. You need not agree. After all, I might be wrong. But it’s really tiring to have everything that fails to conform exactly to other people’s way of seeing things construed as a back-handed attempt to support the “enemy”.
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“If a man wants to fuck a pig, that’s his business and how dare anyone judge!?!?!”
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Would you say that you’re disappointed in Boing Boing?
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The reason it is so easy to believe is because of all the documented & confirmed evidence of these people committing deliberately inhumane acts.
Of course he’d burn a 50 pound note in front of a homeless man, thereby displaying not only a complete lack of empathy for a human being in troubled times but also a deliberate show of malice to boot.
Of course he’d fuck a pig’s mouth, it’s a monstrous deed (unless that’s your thing?) and he’s a monstrous person.
They’re both just symbols in the context of their occurrence, the latter is just a sick tool to instill loyalty among the actors at hand. The former is worse IMO because besides being a sick ritual wit the same end as the latter, it also represents an expectation for the actor’s future, diligently played out in policy by Cameron & his circles.
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I would, once again, like to take this opportunity to question the integrity of any “disappointed with Boing Boing” list that still doesn’t have my name on it.
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I don’t’ find it particularly transgressive if it’s done by the ruling class who regularly fuck the rest of us. It’s the elite doing things that the rest of us would be hounded over, because they can. When they do it, it’s not transgressive… it’s just indicative of their pathology. Putting your dick in the mouth of a dead animal is not particularly transgressive, it’s just gross.
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If I controlled said list, I would add you!
I don’t think that the existence of more serious transgressive or criminal has any bearing on the issue at hand - this is called the ‘appeal to bigger problems’ or ‘fallacy of relative privation’ (which describes the ‘but there are children starving in Africa’ kind of variation). Although class privilege may play some role in facilitating more serious abuses, those abuses are not an expression of the privilege itself which is the actual issue at hand here…
If you think putting your penis in a dead animal is ‘everyday’ then I am not entirely surprised that you are attempting to deflect attention towards ‘real’ crimes. The fact is that the examples you gave of false equivalence are total bunkum, because you are failing to recognise that the punishments for these various acts will, in reality, differ greatly. Yes a tree-pisser and a child abuser may both end up on a sex offenders register. This is because both acts can, under the correct circumstances, be considered sexual crimes. However the actual punishment for each crime will be very different reflecting their very different seriousness.
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I think it’s abundantly clear I disagree with much of what is said on BB. I relish people disagreeing with me - it is how I learn and adapt my views.
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Your main argument seems to be (boiled down) ‘you must shear the act of all context and meaning, and then you will see that the act is in fact totally meaningless’. What’s the name for that one again?
Anyway, it may seem to those who believe that human acts are usually inseparable from their symbolic value that this argument is invalid, and the circularity of the argument is so direct, that it appears intentional.
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Everybody keeps saying he fucked a pig (which is fun to say), but I haven’t seen any stories saying anything other than he stuck his dick in its mouth. Does the book say that he gave it a facial, or something?
I’m actually much more disgusted at things like the burning a 50 pound note in front of a homeless person, frankly. Sticking your dick in a dead pig’s mouth has better shock value, of course, but has much less of an “OMG look at these elitists and their rituals” vibe to it for me, more of a “Ha ha bro I can’t believe you stuck your dick in that pig’s mouth” frat boy vibe, which feels much more middle class - to me, at least. Still very much in the “mostly white straight male privilege” camp, but without the “elite one percenter” vibe. I understand that it’s part of the whole “mutually assured destruction” aspect of the elitists’ cabals, but I dunno. It seems like a pretty silly thing to hold over somebody’s head. I guess based on the reactions of many to the release of this news, though, maybe it’s not.
Also, the arguments “he’s a hypocrite because of his bans on porn, etc” seem a bit odd… It’s not like he was regularly fucking pigs (or that he even fucked a pig at all, as far as I can tell) or was otherwise into deviant sexual practices, as far as I’ve been able to discern from the various stories being released. If anything, the fact that they considered this a “mutually assured destruction” type of behaviour would lead me to believe that he genuinely is just that puritanically against porn.
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You misrepresent my argument, maybe because I failed to express it clearly enough. Then you go and accuse me of doing so intentionally. I wish people would stop doing that, as I said earlier, it takes the fun out of things.
No. I am saying, If doing something is not evil, then adding the context that the person performing the act is evil does not allow you to conclude that the act is evil.
Maybe you are taking some evilness of the act for granted, so that the context of it being performed by an elitist pig in an elitist secret society enhances that evilness.
Maybe this is where our disagreement comes from? I can imagine no circumstances where pissing against a tree can legitimately be considered a “sexual crime”. It is not even a sexual act.
Putting your penis in a dead animal can be considered a “sexual act”, but again, I see no circumstances where I can legitimately consider it a “sexual crime”.
Whether the act is ‘everyday’ or ‘disgusting’ doesn’t change things for me.
Then maybe the point I fail to understand is how pig-fucking is an expression of the privilege itself? Sure, it’s part of the rituals of a secret elitist club, but so is (I’m guessing here) getting drunk together. Both acts serve the function of reinforcing the loyalties in the “rich boys club”. Yet if the story was “Cameron got drunk with his rich elitist buddies once”, then no one would put the act of getting drunk in the “context” of privilege and condemn his drinking. Because drinking (which can range from “everyday” to “gross” depending on how much you drink) is not an expression of privilege itself. So is pig-fucking linked to privilege in a way that does not involve Cameron?
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For some, pissing is indeed an erotic act. And having people watch them piss, even moreso. Thus, there are instances where simply “pissing against a tree” could be considered a sexual act… For example, knowingly doing so in broad daylight in front of several people while lasciviously licking one’s lips and rubbing yourself. But the problem with sex offender laws is that quite often, they equate that person with your average drunk dude pissing against a tree in the middle of the night with nobody around (except the cop that catches him, obvs).
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While that possibility cannot be entirely eliminated, in that world it’s also equally true that for some getting a haircut is an erotic act, for some having a car crash is an erotic act, and for some getting arrested by a policeman is an erotic act.
I don’t think criminalising (as a sex crime yet) every possible act just because someone may enjoy it in that way helps things.
Some acts may be indecent or obscene or gross or inappropriate, but not all of these acts are by definition sex crimes.
Besides, can you imagine pissing against a tree while sexually aroused? You’ll get splashback right in the face!
I thought this was a Billy Connolly, but I was unable to find a recording so I may be wrong. It does good to imagine it in his voice though.
. . . . . . . . . . .
A Man Walks Into A Bar With An Alligator On A Leash
The bartender says “You can’t have that thing in here! Get out!” The guy says “It’s okay, this Alligator is highly trained. Just give me a few seconds and I’ll show you.”
The bartender, intrigued, gives him the go-ahead. The man gingerly lifts the alligator up onto a table. By this point, everybody in the bar is gawking at this strange man and his pet.
The man grins around the room. Having a new audience, he clears his throat and says “This is Allie the Amazing Alligator, and he is so well-trained that I can do this,” He balls up his fist and gives the alligator a swift crack on the head. “OPEN!” He says. The alligator opens his mouth. Before the bartender can do anything, the man unzips his fly and whips it out. He gingerly places his penis in the front of the alligator’s gaping maw. He wallops the alligator once more and says “CLOSE!” And the alligator ever-so-gently closes his terrifying jaws comfortably around his junk. One last time, he raps his head and says “OPEN!” He removes his unharmed manhood, and tucks it safely back into his pants.
The crowd applauds, and he takes a bow. With all eyes still focused on him, he says “Now, any of you guys have the balls to do that, I’ll buy you a drink and give you fifty dollars.” Silence falls over the bar, and everyone looks around for someone who might be willing to take the bet. After a few endless, uncomfortable seconds, A little dude in the back slowly raises his hand and says “I’ll do it, but you have to promise not to hit me so hard.”
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- I see that as a dirty joke
- What I don’t see is someone “having sex with” an animal
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All I’m seeing is you, still engaged in equine flagellation.
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