The kiss of death.
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Never Forget.
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Oh God!
Do you think Clintonās campaign called in a favour to get Blair to do that, or do you think they are desperate calling in favours to try to somehow undo that?
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Blair, Kissinger, any other war criminals going to endorse her?
Blair is clueless.
Tony Blair admits he is baffled by rise of Bernie Sanders and Jeremy Corbyn
How can he possibly not understand why people donāt like him or politicians like him yet?
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Wonderful, what do you call your act?
~flourish~
āThe Iraq Pack.ā
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The inimitable Cornel West on Hillary vs. Bernie:
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Thanks for that.
I first got turned on to Dr. West during the State of the Black Union. For me, it was one of the few guiding lights during the GWB Presidency.
Sad to see that buried, with such a weak-ass wikipedia page.
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Milli Vanilli indeed. Of course if she was actually guided by what 50%+ Americans want (e.g. single payer healthcare) then Iād be more supportive of her. Americans are not desperately regressive, just American politicians are.
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Depends on whether weāre talking income or headsā¦
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I know this is more than 2 weeks later, but I donāt always get to this thread. Hereās some historical background on the Steinem/Albright situation:
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Both Albright and Clinton graduated from Wellesley, and Steinem from another Seven Sisters school (Smith) at a time when most women did not go to college, and if they did, it was for an āMrs. degreeā. These three women were introduced to feminism in the same way basically, and are a product of this historical shift.
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During the second wave of feminism, these women advocated for a feminism that basically left a generation of daughters holding the bag ā someone in each family in the country still had to do the housework, make the meals, take care of the husband, etc. while the wives/mothers were out āfinding themselvesā ā and instead of acknowledging this they have consistently berated younger women for not being feminist enough.
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Consistent with the second-wave thinking, they continue to try to create equality for women by paralleling how men have done it. So, they believe that women should preference their own when it comes to hiring and electing, just as men have done. And theyāre not entirely wrong about this. Itās great to say that weāre past all that, but really we arenāt, and women do need to support women as a group better. Unfortunately, women in the public foreground right now have a tendency to be outliers in many ways, and voting for Palin, for example, solely based on her sex is a step too far for most women these days.
Iām not trying to excuse them, or celebrate themā¦just make their behavior more understandable.
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Ah, yes, the holding the bag business. I sometimes fantasize what it mightāve been like if that hadnāt been me. Itās one thing to make sure your kid is self-sufficient by the time they reach 18 years by teaching them the household chores, itās another thing altogether abdicating all household responsibilities and dumping them on your daughter.
No wonder I turned out socialist. Everyone should suffer equally under housework, dammit.
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I actually would, other things being equal (or near equal), vote for a woman over a man. It has some weight for me. I think we should support candidates from marginalized groups. I can actually rationalize that with a pretty good argument that we ought to expect that people who face discrimination and succeed are more likely to be exceptional than people who succeed without the discrimination, but I actually think there is value in supporting marginalized groups. If we all suddenly stopped seeing race, neighborhoods would still be racially segregated - we need to actively combat that. Like RBG said, nine women is the right number for the Supreme Court.
But thatās one factor, you canāt throw everything else to the wind. Iām not going to vote for Margaret Thatcher or Ayn Rand or Aileen Wournos (though Wournos would be my clear choice of those three). As I said, people who face discrimination and succeed are likely to be exceptional, but what is Hilary Clinton exceptional at? My read is that she is exceptional at exactly the kind of politics that I canāt stand. Sheās exceptional at gathering support from elites in party politics and exceptional at getting rich donors to back her. Iād definitely pick her over Rand or Thatcher, but over someone who is actually trying to do something good instead of merely trying to succeed politically, I wouldnāt go near her.
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Pretty much all this. Clinton, like her husband, is a reed blowing in the wind. Sheās a status quo politician who would be a Republican today if Republicans had been on the right side of history with segregation.
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I was hoping that my omission of Wournos from āI would definitely pick [Clinton] over Rand or Thatcherā was sufficiently conspicuous, though Iād imagine everyone read it as innocent.
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I donāt even know how many times I have said this since the primaries started but I swear to god, if it was Elizabeth Warren running against Bernie Sanders in the Democratic primary I would vote for Elizabeth Warren no questions asked.
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Iām pretty sure Sanders feels the same way.
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Slightly OT, but I believe and respect Elizabeth Warren when she says that she does not wish to be President (at least right now, I suppose, but perhaps forever). It takes a certain skill set, and she clearly believes she can be more effective in a different job. If her name was put on the ballot by some trick, I wouldnāt vote for her because that would be against her own stated preference. (Yes, of course, I think sheās the beeās knees!)
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I think itās fair to assume, in a hypothetical where she is running, that she hypothetically wants to be running, rather than that she was hypothetically tricked into running. But I do get your point. Sometimes I see people talking as if Elizabeth Warren owes it to the country to run for president, and thatās sort of weird and gross.
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