You don’t use an epipen to just alleviate symptoms. You use it to treat a life threatening reaction that is actually occurring. And then you go straight to a hospital for treatment.
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and if you get those, then you carry one; She wasn’t*… so what’s your point?
*- lots of things can be injected, e.g. insulin. Cite me an epipen as present, please.
I was responding to this:
""Dumas (Guy who filmed the incident) said the woman asked for a type of injection to alleviate her symptoms after the crew told her they could not remove the animals.
Dumas said he heard a flight attendant say they needed a certificate to administer an injection, which the woman didn’t have. A pilot offered to let the woman exit the plane so an injection could be administered, but she refused, he said." NBCNews
I’m guessing she was referring to an Epipen. If she had one surely that would have been enough evidence for authorities."
One_Brown_Mouse seemed to be saying that he thought she wanted to use an Epipen to prevent a reaction. It doesn’t work that way. That’s my point. Is that hard to understand?
With what evidence other than your gut? There are thousands of possible injectables. Where did you get it was an EpiPen, and what does that add to the conversation? Real questions, both of them.
Made up suppositions aren’t good faith conversation, and you’re here for that, right?
so, back to that citation, please. The EpiPen one. Where did you get that?
Edited to add: Below you mention that I brought it up EpiPens, That’s False. Not even a bad guess like I think the EpiPen was. Your act of attributing that to me is flat out false, bordering on a lie, and really is way past a lie but Im trying to be compassionate.
She probably didn’t want to switch because she paid for the seat. The dog owner should be the one to switch.
One solution would be to put the dogs in the cargo hold. Only service animals should be in the cabin.
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Not without a card showing that she had tenure.
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Yup. By then she was good n’ dug in…
Totally. Because if it’s an actual, certified service dog, then it’s non-allergenic…
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You mean… They didn’t even punch him out first?
Such amazing customer service!
It’s a moderately strong anticholinergic, too. Paradoxical side effects like hypervigilance do occur among those sensitive to anticholinergics (and anyone who simply takes too high a dose).
‘Hypochondriac’ would’ve sufficed as derision but hey, you show you.
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airlines tend to make the first one to complain the one to suffer the consequences. Which in my way of thinking the fairer system.
She just wanted everyone to know she wasn’t a Maryann.
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anaphylaxis at 30k feet is no joke. Most people don’t have dog allergies that severe, but if you did, then it would be safest to escort that person off the plane.
But I think it has more to do with airlines prefer to kick people off that complain too much. I hope one day they have some kind of stasis pod where they pack as many people as possible into the plane and we remain unconscious for the entire trip.
The chance that my pet dies due to neglect if it flies with me in the cabin: 0%
The chance that my pet dies due to neglect if it flies in the cargo hold: more than 0%.
This makes it an easy call for me.
Just to cut off any more of this in the topic:
- Discussing allergens and their effects, and the effects of policies surrounding them (or other airline policies), how they should be changed, etc. etc. is perfectly fine.
- Insinuating that the woman discussed here was exaggerating or otherwise trying to game the system without evidence of such is victim-blaming, and will be flagged as such.
Thanks.
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Whilst I have every sympathy for anyone who is either made miserable through seating arrangements on flights or who is required to leave for whatever reason, the facts of this case to not bare out well for the individual who was asked to leave.
- She claimed to have a life-threatening allergy to animals on the plane (and I am not attempting to cast doubt upon that)
- A plane’s environmental systems are such that there is no way that the airline could be in the least sure that allergen-baring material was not circulating during the flight.
- There is no way the airline could administer an injection without evidence that it wouldn’t do further harm, which the woman could not provide.
- When asked to depart and thus ensure that she wasn’t facing a potentially deadly threat, the woman refused.
I can see no real alternative for the airline other than to have her forcibly removed under the above circumstances. It looks bad. It feels bad. But would we really expected them to take such a risk with someone’s life and to take on board all of the litigation and PR risk associated with that?
There alternatives?
- Deplane everyone. Conduct a thorough cleanup of the plane to ensure that alergens were not present and then allow everyone but the dog-owners back on board.
- Give the woman an injection of medical-grade drugs without any surety that a) it would do her any good, b) it would not do her any harm.
- Take a serious chance that the woman was lying about her condition and would not die on board
None of those options sound particularly good.
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Nicely played.
If you have a deadly allergic reaction to dogs, you’d already be dead before you got on the plane. Every public place in the United States, including those that do not have dogs, has detectable levels of dog dander. It’s impossible to go any place where there are humans in the United States and not have dog dander.
BTW, dogs can cause allergic rhinitis, allergic asthma, and contact urticaria but I’ve never seen a single piece of medical literature that exposure to dogs could cause anaphylaxis.
Exposure to many common animals, such as horses, are known causes of anaphylaxis and can lead to death.
It’s far more likely that this woman simply didn’t want to be around dogs for personal/cultural reasons, or had a mild allergy to dog dander than can easily be treated with over the counter medications such as diphenhydramine, rather that she has a unique deadly allergic reaction to the mere presence of dogs.
You can buy an “Emotional Support Animal Certification” online, and never have to pay to fly Fido again.
