Woman steals package from porch, breaks her leg tripping on the lawn

My bigger point is that crime is a result of poverty and economic inequality. If everyone has a reasonable TV, doesn’t have to worry about getting sick, a roof over their heads, food on the table, and all the other things middle class people take for granted, the motivation for committing crime is dramatically reduced.

I am deeply concerned with the impacts that automation and technology will have on the workforce. My personal opinion is that poverty is going to increase (or at least the functional definition of poverty is going to grow to include more people).

When we as a society take care of the poorest among us, everyone benefits. I think this is what other posters mean when they speculate about her circumstances.

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Really there’s so much bad behavior to pick apart and you HAD to fat shame?

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Usually these are sent to a uninhabited house…there was an empty house on my street that seemed to get a lot of mail until the po-po showed up and the dealers on the street got a nice raid a few weeks later

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Yeah, that’s true. Maybe she has a bone disorder that will shortly prevent further crimes?

Yet clearly she took no consideration for her victim’s, so I will take none for hers. Why should I? What if she is stealing something of significant value to this victim that can’t be easily replaced? Does she care? Apparently not. She doesn’t know what she’s stealing or who she’s stealing from. That’s cold and heartless. Her circumstance doesn’t matter in the least. If she were shoplifting from some big corporation that could swallow up the loss without noticing it then perhaps I could sympathize with her if her situation is dire, but what she’s doing does harm to an individual.

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Fascinating as the debate about the morality of feeling Schadenfreude over the misfortune of a criminal is, what I want to know is:

Why do so many parcels get left on porches in the US?

I mean this is a country where a significant proportion of the population apparently fears crime so much that they insist on being able to be armed to the teeth but they have no better system for mail delivery than throwing stuff on the porch for anyone to take?

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People are at work.

It happens, and isn’t uncommon, but not common enough that people are still having stuff send to their houses. Some people get send stuff to their work. I did when I lived in a shadier apt. I rarely do now, unless it is a high dollar item, like my Stormtrooper costume or an AR15 upper. I had those sent to my apt. office. Of course, people with houses don’t have that.

Amazon wants to set it up so they can go into your house and place stuff inside.

Some places have USPS boxes at one location that serves a dozen houses, and they may have 2 or 3 larger lock boxes for smaller packages.

Still, its rather victim blaming that you can’t expect to have your package not molested. With more people getting cameras on their house thefts are more often SEEN now, but I am not sure they are actually more common.

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Do you vote Republican? Or maybe libertarian? (If you live in the U.S., that is.)

Nope, pretty much purely democrat, if there’s not a democrat running for something I go with anything but republican. I just don’t give a shit about criminals that victimize innocent people like this.

Some years ago some assholes stole the wheels off my '95 Cavalier. Did I deserve that? Did I deserve to have to skip a day of work, lose $500 on the deductible, and have to go to the trouble of finding someone that could provide me wheels and tires that day and then install them myself? That was a huge expense and inconvenience for me. I wish those fuckers had been caught. I would have laughed if the car fell on one of them and hurt them. Do you think they thought about the hardship they were creating for me? What if I had lost my job because of that? What if I didn’t have full coverage or couldn’t afford the deductible? What if I had a medical emergency and needed that car right then? These thieves only think of themselves. I don’t think any one of them is fucking Robin Hood.

There may be extenuating circumstances for some crimes, some, but not shit like this. There’s no justification for stealing from someone’s home like this.

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Oh, I’m not saying it’s the intended recipient’s fault. You should absolutely be able to leave your deliveries lying on the porch and not have them nicked.

It’s just not something I’m at all familiar with in the UK or any other European country I’ve spent any degree of time in.

We have the same issue of being out at work but usually a parcel is either left with a random neighbour or you just get a little note posted through the letterbox saying “Sorry you were out” and with instructions for collection/ arranging redelivery.

It would be incredibly rare for someone to just leave stuff outside the house.

I think I’ve once had a delivery person do that and then it was tucked away out of sight of the road.

Granted we don’t tend to have porches so the goods would be sitting outside in the weather and as we all know from movies it rains constantly in Britain.

That’s when it’s not like this:

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Do you think society should merely punish people for crimes, or should it also do what it can to counter some of the common reasons that people commit crimes?

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This is one of those times that not having universal healthcare pays off. Enjoy the hospital bill for that broken ankle.

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It used to be the norm for it to be left with a neighbor, but no one knows their neighbors anymore and the people who deliver packages are too busy to be knocking around random doors hoping some retired person is home.

For some packages that have to be signed for they will leave a note to come pick it up at the office.

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Those are some very harsh terms you’re putting in some other anonymous persons mouth. I don’t think it’s quite as you have chosen to describe it there.

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My FedEx driver totally asked me if they could just forge my signature and drop my package in the shed, since I live waaaaay down a road. Yep. You can.

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And how else are they going to pay the medical bills, other than by flogging off goods, for fixing a broken limb?

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The packages contained ladies ballet slippers and tap dance shoes in her size.

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It’s amazing to me what brings the human body down sometimes. I’ve been in bad car accidents, fallen off of cliffs and been hit in the head by a 2x4 that should’ve killed me, all without even a sore muscle. Then one day I’m holding my infant daughter and lean her down so she can smell a flower: worst back injury of my entire life.

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Healthy disagreement is a good thing. Notice I didn’t flag your peer reviewed study link.