20 or more shooting victims reported in San Bernardino, CA. Police seeking active shooter

Are you telling us that you don’t have a tactical vest? I’m honestly surprised.

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Similarly (ish) to @Thebarton_Gamer’s question…

These people had 1000s of rounds at their house. Is that an arsenal, or ‘normal’? Is it very exceptional?

Genuine question - I don’t know what kind of amounts people keep. Is there a typical figure? Any idea how much people who are more into survivalist/militia stuff keep?

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Projecting much?

If “being on the wrong place at the wrong time” counts as “victim blaming”, what does NOT count as “victim blaming”?

Edit: If you knowingly wander into a gang territory known by frequent shootouts, or into a regular war zone, or other high-risk territory, it can be constructed you willingly (whether or not you had a real choice) increased your risk. If the miniwar minizone finds you by random, there is no way you could have any say in the matter and counts as a blind luck for all practical purposes. Emulate the reasoning behind decisions of e.g. insurance companies, or other subjects for whom evaluating various forms of risk is their daily bread.

Nope. Though I would if I were involved in a rifle sport maybe.

Pretty normal. I try to keep between 500-1000 rounds of all my common calibers at least. You can easily store 1000 rnds of 9mm in boxes in a standard surplus .50 cal ammo can. It isn’t like it takes a lot of space. Even more if you just buy it loose .22s, especially since they have been hard to find so I get it when I see it, are at around 3000. Though my .44 mag/special is only 200 because I don’t shoot it as much and it is expensive.

If you are a hobbyist, and actually shoot, you tend to buy in bulk when there is a deal/sale on, 500-1000/rnds at a time. I usually get a few boxes at walmart while I am there and it adds up. Main reason to do this is it saves money. “Buy cheep, stack deep.” Some people also get surplus ammo, especially for Russian calibers, in bulk metal boxes.

So no, that doesn’t raise an eye in shooting circles. I know people who could build small forts from their ammo stash. Someone who shots only a couple times a year tends to have a box or two lying around. Then they are forced to play 2x as much for their ammo when they want to go out, but the store is out of the cheap stuff.

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If you use a lot of something over time, it is a good idea to buy in bulk. Then you can get unit cost down to “dirt cheap”. I do it with SMD LEDs, resistors, transistors, some fasteners, and other commodities, somebody else can do it with ammunition. Nothing odd on it, the same laws of logistics apply.

I have a tactical vest. It is a surprisingly useful piece of a kit for an engineer.

Normally I use flannel shirts with large breast pockets, but these are apparently subject to shrinkage as the newer models have smaller pockets than what the older ones used to, or at least the large-pocket ones are difficult to find. So I may have to go back to tac vests in the future. Nothing odd on that, mere pragmaticism. If you find it odd, you’re free to but it doesn’t make my choice any less practical.

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I have my grandpas old work apron. Something that is on there that i haven’t seen on modern aprons that makes so much damn sense, is the pocket for pens and such is a separate bag of cloth that is attached at the top. So if you are leaning over something the pocket hangs as well, keeping your pens vertical and nothing falls out of the pocket.

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That’d be bloody useful for labcoats! Extra attention is otherwise needed for carrying non-empty test tubes in the pockets.
…don’t ask how I know…

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or a couple of thousand rounds of ammo and some AR-15s in the back room?

It looks sorta like that. Pocket IIRC is higher on the breast, but that is the concept.

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Good thing the massive overreach of surveillance at least caught him before he… oh wait, right. The massive overreach of surveillance is totally fucking useless.

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I’ve been listening to CNN on my way home and all I want to do is punch Wolf Blitzer and his colleagues in their stupid making stuff up randomly speculating faces.

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I don’t know that it’s totally useless. One day the venn diagram for to-be terrorists and the one for love interests of NSA agents will finally intersect, and then they’ll catch that one person.

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Or use the love bond, or its denial, to turn the given person into a terror suspect. A little additional grooming, and we have another set of headlines, another “success” of The Agency to brag about, another statistics-padding and expenses-justification.

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Yup, but doesn’t change that it “could be”.

However the media narrative will probably go down like this. it was a workplace act of violence. The fact they were Muslim doesn’t matter. The fact they wore cameras to record the murders doesn’t matter. The fact there was ISIS materials reviewed and references at their home doesn’t matter.

You see, it was outrage about work, they just happened to kit up and shoot the fuck out of a workplace. See no terrorism here.

But hey, you want my opinion on surveillance. Its a fucking farce, always has been, always will be. The CIA in the 80s disproved ELINT (electronic intelligence) many times compared to well groomed HUMINT (human intelligence). Combine that with report after report where the US has used the same intelligence assets to commit industrial espionage against allies, yet the biggest bull in the china shop (Saudi Arabia) gets armed and free passes policy wise. And a crispy topping of “we’ll stop spying on you, but fuck you not really” from the leaders of that world and I think its a fucking joke.

So, what to do?

I’m gonna try to get Bernie elected. Not a superfan or whatnot, but here we have a candidate who can stick to his guns (pun intended) policy wise and from a firearms owner’s perspective his policy and state represents an intelligent mix of rural and urban cultures that seem to allow a welcoming interpretation of 2A issues. In other words, I trust him based on his history to not give into the histrionics of social politics and made decisions I can live with.

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Wait wait wait. You are assuming the love interest of the NSA agent even knows the NSA agent exists!

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That may or may not be a valid assumption. Plethora of possibilities out there, some already tried out by various alphabet-soup agencies in US, UK, and other countries.

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I wasn’t really addressing you directly, just making a point… probably a bit glib about it!!!

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Your #1 issue is enabling civil war. You’d have to be a complete moron not to know what that means.

Just so long as you’re aware of the tall weeds you’re in, my point has been made.