In my area, there are free dog poo bag dispensers for the folks too cheap to buy their own bags. So they use them, and then the walking paths and surrounding bushes are chock-full of blue bags filled with poo. Classy!
I buy biodegradable bags in 500s here in the UK, but not from Amazon unfortunately, from a UK company. Do they work? Well, if I canāt find an official bin I put them in a hole in a corner of the garden. When I looked recently, there was no sign of them at all, and no smell, so in summer they must be degrading in a few weeks. (I do not put them in the composter, though probably there is no scientific reasoning behind this.)
Odd, isnāt it? Cats are allowed to pee anywhere. We donāt have urban foxes here (but there are plenty in London) but we have hedgehogs, crows, buzzards, pigeons and gulls all of which deposit quite a lot of stuff. People make a special exception to be annoyed about dogs.
Thereās several reviews complaining that some of their rolls of bags were sealed on both ends, making them impossible to use, and some that were open at both ends. Making them less useful for keeping poo off your hands. Still, at that price even if you canāt use 4 or 5 of the rolls youād probably still come out ahead.
In California, on garbage days, people would use my bins for their poop. Which would be fine if they didnāt invariably put their baggie in my recycling bin. Which gets me a fine from the city if I donāt see it and fish it out of the bottom of the bin.
In my city, plastic shopping bags are completely banned at most types of stores. You may purchase a paper bag for ten cents if you forget your cloth bags, but those arenāt very practical for dog poo. Just the right size for emptying the litter box, though, if you double-bag for security.
One thing: These bags all have plastic cores. I find these cores as litter all over the place now. I was a little disappointed to see you hype them here where their signal will be so greatly amplified.
Yes, they are cheap, but the little black cigarettes-sized cores were already becoming a nuisance and now that will get worse.
For the folks insisting on bags being biodegradable, I work for a public utility that has actively advocated for an end to plastic shopping bags. We donāt care about poop bags. They are going to landfill. Material in landfill does not reliably biodegrade no matter what itās made of. I prefer the bags to be made of straight plastic because folks see the biodegradable marker and think they should put it in the compost. That is another problem.
Iām with waetherman ā what the hell is boingboing doing going out of its way to promote a nonbiodegradable product when there are clearly biodegradable ones available. Got values much?
Because, as @uhillard pointed out, poop bags end up at the landfill. It doesnāt make any difference if something in a landfill is biodegradable, since it wonāt degrade anyway. If you are looking to be environmentally friendly when selecting poop bags, get ones made out of recycled material.
Edit: looks like that isnāt quite accurate, the FTC requires stuff that is labeled biodegradable to degrade in a landfill relatively quickly. That does raise other problemsā¦
<a href"https://news.ncsu.edu/2011/05/wms-barlaz-biodegradable/">Is Biodegradability a Desirable Attribute for Discarded Solid Waste? Perspectives from a National Landfill Greenhouse Gas Inventory Model
Edit 2: The Biodegradable Product Institute goes back to my original understandingā¦ The Myths of Biodegradation
Myth:
Biodegradable products are the preferred environmental solution because waste simply biodegrades in the landfill.
Reality:
Nothing biodegrades in a landfill because nothing is supposed to.
Many years back I went for a drive along the coast with my then-new dog. I hadnāt gotten in the habit of keeping bag in the car. Not wanting to get caught without, I stopped by a dollar store. The manager, seeing me wandering around the poorly organized place, asked what I wanted. āWell, we have those dog poop bags over there, but let me how you something else.ā He pointed me to a box of āNappy disposal bags,ā 150 for $1. Only difference between them and the dog poop bags they carried (50 for $1) was the color (translucent pink vs. opaque brown-black).
I still have the box, with maybe 50 bags left, under my car seat. Even allowing for inflation, thatās a pretty good deal. The equivalent of 900 for $6.00.
(Iāve always wondered, though: How many Americans looked at that box and wondered what a nappy was, and why it needed a bag?)
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One thing: These bags all have plastic cores. I find these cores as litter all over the place now.
[/quote]The little tubes in the middle. Yes, I was surprised to find these in the roll, as they are pretty substantial as such things go, and surely would increase the cost of the bags over using something made of paper. In any event, they are useful for various projects (eg, spacers over bolts), though my supply has far outstripped my use of them. Maybe when I have a couple of thousand Iāll donate them to a local schoolās art department.
I donāt want to have to QA every bag before use. So, in that case, Iāll stick with the more expensive www.dogpoopbags.com.There the bags are reliable and quality and when there was an issue with a batch/shipment, they remedied it quickly and effectively. Iāve been bagging shit with their products for almost a decade, why stop now? Woot woot!
Biodegradable ā Compostable but Biodegradable is the $$ marketing term of choice. So while some people use them interchangeably it means that people can sell things that are biodegradable but not compostable for applications where compostable is key. Biodegradable is mostly bullshit because of what is necessary to achieve it. Compostable actually provides viable options for multi-use products.
I donāt use any bags for poop since leaving the city, but when I was there animal waste & litter went into the green bin in compostable bags, paper being first choice.
Dog people are allowed to put their poop into the green bins there (Toronto) and because these bags are mostly plastic, and because many people include plastic bags inadvertently or ignorantly, the processing facility removes them. It still probably affects the final compost product negatively, but they seem to find it acceptable and it means diversion.
The plastic bag removal would still be necessary because of people, but a distinct product that is for dog shit & compostable might help engender better habits & improve compost quality.
I remember getting material from the city on the subject that specifically asked people to not use biodegradable bags, period, for any waste or diversion program. They donāt work anywhere in major systems, itās hogwash marketing even if the product is actually biodegradable.