Indeed. My spouse is a library assistant and picked up pneumonia last year most likely from some random patron.
A depressing number of parents think “my child is too contagious to go to school today, so I’ll take them to the public library instead.”
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I was thinking Roosevelt, but…yeah.
/ Kennedy too…and others.)
If you argument is “she has been dishonest in the past, literally anything about her could be true, and thus is worth assuming” why limit yourself to something as mundane as “her pneumonia may be worse than her doctors are letting on?” (although I’m sure you aren’t limiting yourself, you’re just staying on topic…for now…)
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Right. And that thyroid thing that keeps getting mentioned… I dunno what she has exactly, but at least half the middle-aged people I know (myself included) take a daily dose of Eltroxin for overactive thyroid. If that’s all it is, it’s really common.
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Damn saiyans coming to our planet in their giant tennis balls, stealing our green haired women…
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Staying on topic, why wouldn’t anyone…
Oh, wait. until my post, everyone was busy talking about Trump.
I literally know noone who has ever caught a pneumonia (be it in close or larger circle of friends/acquaintances/family). This includes people who meet a large amount of public (teachers, lecturers among others), and also elderly people.
So yes, I believe it is kind of a big deal for someone like Clinton to catch one, nevermind the PR machine glossing over it as much as they may. Even if it’s only because of the exhaustion from the campaign, it speaks of a person in poor overall health. But well, who cares, right?
And to attempt to curtail the howling I’m afraid will follow anyway : I’m not a citizen of the US, nor do I live there, so contrary to all those who may vote in this particular election, I don’t need to drink the Koolaid to try and see one of the candidate in a positive light simply because the other is unpalatable. From my point of view, either of them is as bad a the other (Clinton has demonstrably shown a willingness to keep the US foreign policy on the same course it is now, and Trump, whatever he may say, would probably do the same because business).
Incorrect.
450 MILLION people a year get some sort of pneumonia. It is an infection. It is (relatively) common.
Your continued assertion that “it speaks of a person in poor overall health” is incorrect, and you need to stop repeating it. Doing so won’t make it true.
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Frankly, as I see it the issue really isn’t with her having pneumonia. It happens.
The issue is, she thought it was appropriate to keep it a secret. And that only reinforces this image of “I Get to decide what’s in the public’s interest” and “It’s only a mistake if you get caught”.
In this case it was just pneumonia. No big deal. But, in 6 months time, she’ll be the one deciding if the US should be forthcoming about things like the Gitmo torture photos, reports embarrassing or revealing and taking responsibility for misdeeds of the US government. And that’s where the issue lies, and where I’m very afraid of this election, no matter the outcome.
Has she been more forthcoming than Trump? Well, Yes. Of course. But I refuse to let that be the baseline just because he’s her only real competition.
Better than Trump, in any subject, be it disclosure, ethics, or proper use of spray on tan, should not, CANNOT, become the standard and baseline bar to clear. Better than Trump != Presidential level execution, even if, in this particular election, it’s all that’ll really be necessary to make that goal.
I caught double pneumonia when I was 16. It’s not some rare, exotic disease.
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I wear blue lenses because it helps with my dyslexia
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Your (lack of) experience is not a representative sample of the population as a whole.
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I have never had as many replies to anything I’ve posted on BB until now. And then you tell me (using polite words, but nevertheless) that I must shut up on this particular subject.
Boy are things getting heated! I wonder whether it is presidential campaign time as usual, or if some see any criticism or remark on Clinton as a dangerous assault on a very fragile bid for presidency.
I’ve never paid attention : is there anything like slashdot’s karma on BB? If so, I think it must be in freefall.
I think there’s a big difference between someone working through an illness and waving off concerns with “I’m okay, just a little overheated, have to lie down for a bit,” (the way my mom would do if we were on vacation) and someone Keeping Vital Secrets from the American Public.
But I know that to trumpies, her slightest cough is manna for their conspiracy theories.
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I don’t think that’s what people are saying. I think they’re asking you to not post the same incorrect facts that the Trump crowd are broadcasting. Getting a respiratory infection or other minor illness on the campaign trail is incredibly easy and happens all the time.
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That is highly unlikely unless you have a very small circle of family and acquaintances. Somewhere around 2 percent of Americans get pneumonia every year. (Though hopefully it’s not the same 2 percent of Americans getting sick each time).
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Sigh… It’s not her working through it. It’s her deciding that she shouldn’t disclose it. Especially when the trump types were floating much worse about her. It’s a self inflicted, needless wound. It’s like when my kids lie about something that is easily disproven and will likely be discovered, and that raising concerns about truthfulness and disclosure when its a LOT harder to verify, or even know if an inappropriate secret is being kept.
And this isn’t some bizarre trump conspiracy theory. He’s unquestionably worse, but, again, “Better than Trump” is NOT what we want as sufficient to qualify for our presidency.
Um. She did disclose it, the day after she ‘got overheated’. As she says, she ignored doctors’ advice to take five days off and decided to power through it, but it caught up with her. I don’t think that failing to immediately declare the details of her respiratory infection disqualifies her from being President. But i guess you do? Sure!
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After the primaries, it’s what we have, though.
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Ahem, that’s Doctor Zoidberg. He didn’t go to medical school for nothing.*
*I assume he’s been to medical school.
*And in terms out outcomes it was basically for nothing, but I can’t let rhetoric go unsaid sometimes.
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She was diagnosed days beforehand. A small note in a press release, that she’d been diagnosed with a mild case of an illness that’s significant, but not expected to slow her up, and this would have been a non-story. But when she failed to do so, then had a medical incident as a result, and only THEN disclosed, that’s too late. Friday or Saturday, and there would have been no issue.
And @daneel I’m not arguing that people should vote Trump in response to this. Not at all. But, the standards we should hold candidates and successful elected officials to shouldn’t be watered down just because there is no realistic alternative. Unfortunately our tools for enforcement of expectations are exceedingly limited, as ordinary citizens it’s mostly our vote, which in this year is a pretty weak threat given the alternatives, but, that doesn’t mean we should simply whitewash and excuse the behavior, even if we don’t have a solid, readily accessible remedy beyond criticism. This one incident is of course not to the level of anything approaching a disqualifying matter, but, it’s one more strike against her for those that might otherwise enthusiastically back a Dem candidate, and, that shit adds up.
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