But he thinks that one white dude was pretty okay!
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I think itās personally fine if you donāt like rap, but you gave no real reason why you didnāt like her, based on something internal to the genre, without acknowledging that she might have something that makes her good within the genreā¦ the fact that you list lots of other awesome rappers there in that list indicates that you know more than youāre saying, actually.
It came off as being totally dismissive of the genre rather than āI donāt dig Minajā (and Iām not a huge fan either, but thatās neither here nor there - I can acknowledge she had talent by the dictates of the genre).
What do you find so detrimental about her? Cause thatās an awfully specific point to bring up.
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Iām just curious what he finds ādetrimentalā about herā¦ seems an odd thing to say. Iām not a huge fan and could agree that sheās not the top of the pops when it comes to rapā¦
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I do think that āone white guyā was pretty okay. To be fair, heās showed that heās pretty mysogynistic and homophobic through his lyrics (which is unfortunately not at all unusual for the genre), and a pretty troubled individual in general, but thereās no denying that he has insane skills. To resort to ad hominem attacks by implications of racism etcā¦ and to dismiss him as āthat one white dudeā speaks far more about you and the strength of your argument than it does meā¦ Honestly, the Eminem example was brought up specifically because someone had posted it here earlier. And I note that āIām not a big fan of rapā because thatās simply true. Itās not one of my primary listening genres. I like a lot of different genres, and itās not unusual for vastly different things to be playing in the background while Iām working on something. Sometimes itās Dinah Washington. Sometimes itās Sepultura. Maybe an Erasure marathon. Sometimes itās even (gasp) a bit of Cypress Hill.
Anyways, my issue is when people like Ms. Minaj get touted as prime examples of the genre, I think it diminishes the work of the people whose shoulders are supporting her. There have been a lot of really skilled rappers tackling a lot of important social and political issues, or even just expressing raw emotion, frustration with social or financial circumstances, etcā¦ and then thereās:
āThis dude named Michael used to ride motorcycles
Dick bigger than a tower, I aināt talking about Eiffelās
Real country ass nigga, let me play with his rifle
Pussy put his ass to sleep, now he calling me NyQuil
Now that bang bang bang,
I let him hit it 'cause he slang Cocaine
He toss my salad like his name Romaine
And when we done, I make him buy me Balmain
Iām on some dumb shitā
Conclusion: Totally synthetic product (musically and physically) designed for marketing appeal primarily, idiotic lyrics, and everything is designed simply to get a reaction no matter how offensive or over the top it has to be to do that. I donāt deny that sheās got flow and delivery, but I just donāt think itās anywhere near as good as everyone says. Everyone acts like sheās the best thing since sliced bread, and I just donāt see it. Maybe itās just me reacting to her being a bit of a social troll, and that prevents me from acknowledging existing skills, but I simply refuse to place her on the pedestal that everyone else seems willing to lift her onto.
Seems like the primary beef everyoneās having is more to what came off as a glib dismissal of a genre (which it wasnāt, just more of a statement that rapās not a primary listening genre of mine), then a desire to have an opinion on said genre. Hopefully that bitās been cleared up.
Also noted, This is just my opinion, youāre perfectly free to think whatever you want about her without (hopefully) without anyone attacking you for having an opinion, questioning your qualifications for having said opinion, etcā¦
Have a nice day! 
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Oh man, hereās a can of worms, but I also am not a huge fan of the Offspringā¦
This oneās easy though, theyāve gotten so much airtime in my area that Iām just so sick and tired of hearing pretty much every popular song theyāve done. Most of their stuff has acquired āearwormā status through overplaying. Only band worse in terms of overplay desensitization IMHOā¦ Green Day.
(awesome response in video form though!)
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Are you aware that she has more than one song? And, thereās more to that song than meets the eye (āIām on some dumb shitā) ā hip hop is poetry. Poetry isnāt always literal.
Besides, āI let him hit it 'cause he slang Cocaine / He toss my salad like his name Romaineā is fucking brilliant, imo. That is a hilarious and clever play on words. Itās also very dark, when you stop and consider the lyrics.
Cherry-picking lyrics isnāt helping your case, especially since itās clear youāre not so good at analyzing them, anyway.
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Sheās overtly and PROUDLY sexual, and sheās black. Thatās why.
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Wow, really? In the last few responses, Iāve quoted at least four of her shitty songs.
I guess Iām just some uncultured cretin in that I canāt see the beauty of the poetry in rhyming ājizzedā with ādissedā or thinking that
is either deep or brilliant. Also by ādarkā if you mean that sheās rapping about trading drugs for sex, seems to be a common theme for her, trading sex for somethingā¦
Anyways, this has just become a series of ad hominem attacks for shits and giggles, not any serious discussion about the subject, so Iāll leave you with your Minaj Love in an echo chamber of your own Tumblr SJW screams.
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seems to be a common theme for her, trading sex for somethingā¦
How do you know if this is a common theme if you dislike her and therefor donāt listen to her? Or are you just assuming because she is very open sexually in her lyrics, that sheās nothing but a whore? Because thatās essentially what you just said.
PEE ESS: Just because she writes about something doesnāt mean sheās talking about herself. She is telling a story. It isnāt necessarily autobiographical. Weird that you assume it is.
Also, you donāt know what an āad hominen attackā is, clearly (how shocking).
in an echo chamber of your own Tumblr SJW screams.
ā¦ Oh.
This is just as bad as someone in another thread who stated" the mind of a true liberal defies all common sense like that."
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White men appropriating hip hop culture and @Bobo thinks itās a great response. How not surprising.
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Well, if your primary response to someone having a dissenting opinion is to shout them down over and over again (rather than rationally discussing the actual subject matter), tossing in impications then statements of flat out racism and sexism then youāre simply going to get called out for it. Mindysan was willing to have a discussion about what boiled down to the mechanics of why I donāt think Nicki Minaj is as good as everyone else thinks. You on the other hand want to make racist implications because I cited an example that someone else posted here on BB as an example of skill simply because the guy doing it was white.
At this point, itās not a discussion. Itās a very pathological and unhealthy bitch session, with repeated attacks on my character, and consequently not something Iām willing to participate in. So I guess you win. All the shouting down and character slander has worked. A million imaginary internet points for you!
I shouted? When? I didnāt shout at all. Interesting that you interpret my responding to you as shouting merely because I donāt agree with you.
āBitch sessionā
Yeah, youāre not sexist at all! Totally!!
āSJW screamsā
Yeaaah, youāre the type who says āSJW screamsā with no irony. You are ā¦ very transparent.
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Mod note: Stay on topic and stop personal attacks.
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Holy crap, just canāt let this end can you? āBitch sessionā as in common use ācomplaining; gripingā. Not a statement related to sex or genitalia in common use. Iāll grant you that original etymology was probably based in someone complaining like a ābitchā or female dog, but I think that any implications of gender have long been lost in common usage, language being a non-static thing and all.
If you look for demons in every shadow, youāre damn sure going to find them.
And I can unironically make āTumblr SJW screamsā because it is exactly that sort of behavior that makes that particular forum so toxic. If you donāt like someoneās opinion, then pummel them repeatedly with unsubstantiated claims of racism and sexism etcā¦ until any honest discussion is drowned out.
And thank you Falcor for recognizing the nature of what this ādiscussionā has become.
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yeah letās get back to discussing the merits of manufactured rappers.
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Cultural appropriation?
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The Rave version of Pam Ayres.
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Want something genuine?
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