Bernie Sanders endorses Joe Biden

And? How about NOT blame them for this mess, given that they are not a majority in the country, did not build the system that is actively stacked against them.

Keep doing it, is all I can say. Because there really isn’t another option that is remotely palatable. I feel your frustration, though, believe me. But these things are sometimes not about the short term, but about the long struggle.

Right?

Is that wrong? What do you think another 4 years of Trump will look like? How hard will it be for women to become equal citizens again? For immigrants not to be scapegoats for corporate greed?

Right? Maybe Michael Harriot knows a little something about being black in America…

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My early memories of Nixon and Ford make me wish I could say that!

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Perhaps, just perhaps, your own personal “excitement” is relatively unimportant compared to the gravity of the situation our country is in.

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Some might say that would have been a lot more useful back when he’d just had a heart attack and Warren had a real shot at the nomination. And some might point out there are podcasters who will view even the couple of days’ wait to endorse Biden as Bernie crossing his fingers behind his back.

I’m not actually in either group – I think if someone (like Sanders or Al Gore) believes in what they’re selling, then they shouldn’t quit just because their opponents think that would be sporting.

However, I wouldn’t canonize Bernie for this endorsement; it’s pretty much the least he could do.

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There is good news coming out of Wisconsin: Jill Karofsky probably beat Daniel Kelly for the Wisconsin Supreme Court.

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Yeah, I care about all of those people, and more! That’s why it pains me to have to vote between Turd Sandwich and Orange Hitler. This isn’t a proud moment for the US, our country should have NEVER gotten to this point and this is what we get when we have decades of chosing the lesser of two options.

Hmmm… :thinking:

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So your concern is that I’m not having enough insomnia lately?

Convenient that you cut off the bit where he points out that the winners of the primaries and the general elections are decided by two very different voting blocs, which makes your comparison invalid.

True. Your point? It’s perfectly reasonable to be frustrated with the vast majority of primary voters who fell hook, line, and sinker for the overwhelming amount of earned media days before Super Tuesday pushing the “Biden is the electable choice” line. The fact that Sanders’s movement wasn’t strong enough to overcome that deluge is a cause for reflection and a renewed look at strategy moving forward for the left. But that doesn’t mean that at the same time we can’t be aggravated with the folly of voters who overwhelmingly polled in favor of M4A, but voted for Biden anyway because he was the “safe” choice.

It’s entirely valid to point out that it’s necessary to win the primary to win the general.

And if you can’t get above 30% of your own primary- you’re not making a convincing case that you would have had any chance at all to win the general.

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Yes - all those other people are manipulated dupes - but you’re the clued in dude who knows the score. That’s why you lost.

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Characterizing voters as fools because they didn’t vote for one’s candidate is not a good start for “a renewed look at strategy moving forward”. Some voters don’t like candidates whose strongest supporters hold them in contempt.

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Small victories.

It will probably make it harder for Wisconsin to engage in voter suppression tactics in November, and since it is a swing state it could have important national consequences.

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Totally, just like Wesley really was mildly happy to be able move his head after being mostly dead all day.

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for sure.

at the risk of repeating myself from another thread, simply bailing out the post office is a somewhat near sighted goal. better would be removing their federally mandated ( and currently bananas ) pension obligations and better still would be restoring postal banking.

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If they really wanted you to clean yer lint trap every time they wouldn’t have made ‘dryer fire’ so much fun to say.

But now I’m rambling like Biden. Whatever. He still gets my vote.

I suggest that the whole judicial appointment thing (not just the Supreme Court, but hundreds of judges appointed for life around the country) completely negates that idea. Also—and this is not at all a personal comment—it’s much easier for white men to “wait out” another four years of Trump than it is for others.

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You two were having a back and forth about whether winning the primary is a good indicator for success in winning the general, and after your interlocutor made some good points about how the two races are not apples to apples comparisons, you ignored those points and made your trite baseball analogy. No one is disagreeing that winning the primary is in fact a necessary condition for moving onto the general. The conversation was about whether different electability standards applied in the two races.