That would be great, … but it’s a prez Biden speaking in public that’s going to be torture.
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Yeah, but that same party is also against abortion…
Our two party system means there is usually not a party that exactly fits you. You have to make sacrifices and tradeoffs to vote. Choose the lesser of the two evils.
What is really fascinating is how poorly the Democrats have managed to capture supposedly moderate voters from the Republican bench who you would expect to be turned off by the blatant mismanagement and corruption from the current party leadership. Maybe I’m wrong (I hope so) and we’ll have another Blue Wave this November, but the early signs aren’t encouraging.
What does abortion have to do with it, other than anti-choice policies also have racist and classist results?
If you’re going to imply that southern black voters are voting against their self-interest by supporting a moderate (Biden), I really suggest your read what Michael Harriot has written about the subject in The Root.
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How people don’t realize this is beyond me.
When I was 18, I wasn’t legally allowed to be married to my love. The state I grew up in still had redlining laws on the books. Some states near mine (and mine too, I think) outlawed homosexual sex to the point that they had laws on the book throwing me in prison for LIFE. That’s what unnatural sex got in the state I grew up in.
Well, it got death, actually, but then the state accidentally passed a law stating that you couldn’t get that unless murder was the primary offense… and then they tried to go back on it before the Texas sodamy decision came down and legalized the whole thing.
We don’t move at the speed I’d like it to, but aruging this country is a step away from fascism clearly shows me people who don’t remember the 80s, when “crack cocaine” was being pushed for a death sentence, and cocacine was the drug of choice amongst the elite. Or when sundown laws were protected by the federal government as “people should be allowed to choose their neighbors.”
We’re not a step away from fascism. We just see the fascists more clearly. I mean people don’t even remember at one point there was actually literally a plot to hand this country over to a fascist dictator. Not figuratively, literally. Not in the sense of “Oh, I don’t like that guy, he’s a fascist” but literally the thought that we should be a fascist country since it worked so well in Italy and Germany. It was really a thought people had during the great depression.
I know it sucks feeling like we’re not moving. But we really, really are. We definitely need to go faster and further, but I’d rather have a 5-4 supreme court in the favor of the left/centrists than a 7-2 in favor of the right. THe ninth circuit has already been flipped. What do you think a second term does here?
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Again, I’m not saying it’s good that these are our choices. But they are, effectively, our only choices given the system we’re working within. If you’re at all interested in getting to “forward”, sitting it out because there’s no “forward” on the ballot is just as bad as voting for the party that is screaming about how hard they want to go in reverse. Especially when they’re also talking openly about how terrible it is that there’s even a gear shift or steering column to begin with. Nothing is safe this year.
(This metaphor may be getting rather strained. I hope my point remains.)
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I saw a pick up truck the other day with the ordinary trump/pence sticker at the top of the back window. At the bottom, in LARGE and prominent stick on letters was the message “Trump is the chosen one”. THIS is what we are up against. A sizeable section of our fellow citizens who are so caught up in the delusional cult of personality around this con man. We have to, repeat HAVE to VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO. We will literally not survive as a country with 4 more years of Putin’s puppet. Think of the supreme court picks. RBG won’t be around forever…not to mention all of the federal judges him and moscow mitch have and continue to place all around the country. President Biden it is then.
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Not just RBG. The supreme court is OLD. Depending on how bad this virus gets, he might get to choose more than her and Breyer. Can you imagine an 8-1 or 9-0 supreme court?
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We have a president in the White House who:
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promotes family members and cronies into positions of power, demoting or firing anyone he considers an enemy;
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repeatedly insults and demeans people of color and entire countries’ citizens;
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is systematically dismantling civil rights gains and entire governmental departments;
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has openly admired dictators and authoritarians;
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has repeatedly stated he deserves more than the two terms allowed by the Constitution;
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said publically that the Democrats “cannot be allowed to win” the upcoming election.
With all due respect, it’s not “a step away from fascism”-- we’re soaking in it. Right now.
I do not want to have to vote for Biden-- but I will, to stop Trump from driving this country further into a fascist nightmare. It is some small consolation that Bernie is willing to work with Biden… but I’ll take anything I can get at this point.
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Don’t be silly; we Black folks just love to have someone with no skin in the game deign to speak for us as if we are all one big monolith - that’s “our jam,” didn’t you know?
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You’re all very quick to lay the responsibility of Biden winning the election at the feet of Bernie, and his supporters, but that’s just ridiculous. Blame for Hillary’s loss is put on us, but Bernie came out and campaigned for her, he could have just left, but he stayed around and fought for her. Millennials and younger voters overwhelmingly voted Hillary, the highest percentage of any demographic, but you know who didn’t? The older generation, they’re the ones with the enthusiasm to vote for Trump.
When that senile, centrist, get’s his ass handed to him after he rages some more at union workers, or the media start taking the sexual assault allegations seriously, it’s not going to be our fault. It’s going to be Biden and the people who insisted on nominating him during the primary.
Shaming voters isn’t going to work, but having an electable candidate does, and that’s not Biden.
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Not sure what comparison with the '08 vote has to do with Sanders supporters in 2016 and 2020. IMO the destructive ones in 2016 voted for the current POTUS or didn’t vote at all.
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Only if they skip the teleprompter. They’ve got really big fonts and very slow moving text settings, right? He just needs a competent WH Press Secretary for the Q&A.
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That would be the vast majority of the democrat voters.
That would be a majority of primary voters . Primary voters chosing Biden, says very little about what the majority of Democratic and other voter’s are going to do in a general election.
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You can’t win the nomination without winning the primary. I don’t know what else to say , so I feel my time in this topic is done.
I’m sorry he didn’t win. I wanted him to win. Badly. But he didn’t. Now I get to decide whether I want Biden or Trump to win, and I think that’s a pretty easy decision for me.
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I wanted him to win too, I don’t want Trump to have another term. Really the only thing I’m trying to communicate at this point is, it doesn’t matter if the core Democratic base gets behind Biden. The guy just isn’t going to be able to win.
I voted for Hillary, I despise her politics, but I voted for her, and she still lost. Biden is far worse then her, his team is propping him up the best they can, but he’s not a fraction of the statesmen that Hillary was.
We focus so much on the presidency being the prize, but the winning strategy at this point is probably outside the Democratic party. Biden is such a stupid waste. We’d probably do better if we started organizing, and growing activism that pressures the DNC to stick to real liberal policies, and gear up towards fighting the next administration in the courts.
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I am not happy by this, at fucking all.
But I agree with Bernie even in what he is saying now-
anything, ANYTHING, absolutely ANYONE is better than Trump.
I’ll vote for Bernie in primary (if that ever happens in my state of PA), so he gets delegates to put joe over the coals, because Joe excites noone, will change nothing, except I’ll vote for him in Nov because he can get Trumplestiltskin the fuck outta my whitehouse.
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I hope so. I guess the Obama presidency spoiled me; never embarrassing.
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Agreed. We have fascists in government right now wrecking things. The meager incrementalism and little victories have been adding up far too slowly. I read a good article a while back, forget where, but I remember a quote from it that went something like “The long arc of history bends toward justice, but you can die starving on the floor of a prison cell waiting for it to arrive.”
Here in the U.S. we face a twin threat. The first is fascism in the government. The second is a festering plutocracy. This plutocracy has amassed wealth and power via a combo of conservative weakening of antitrust and deregulatory policies that’s been happening since the 80s, and neoliberal Third-Way-ism that’s grown in the Democratic Party since the Clinton administration.
The message needs to be sent to the Dem establishment in a very straightforward way that what they’ve done over the last 28 years hasn’t worked nearly as well as it they think it has, and won’t work anymore. The GOP needs to be thrown out of Congress, but establishment crony Dems also need to be shown the door and make way for progressives with more tangible goals than kicking the can down the road.
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