No one is saying that they can’t vote for who they like, but that is what they came out and accused us of doing, before they even engaged on the issue. They did not even wait to see a reaction, they just assumed we’re all Democratic fanbois/girls, and pretended like their voting is somehow more pure or more informed than the rest of us… No one told them that they “owe” their vote to anyone. That’s just pure putting words in everyone else’s mouth…
Do you actual read any of the comments here - many of us are well aware of the very flawed system in which we live. We’re also very concerned with the actual fascists currently making the lives of some of us a living hell. I think it’s pretty naive to ignore the situation in front of us for some kind of stupid purity test. The reality is that this is the world we live in, it’s far from perfect, but nothing will improve if we keep throwing votes to fascists.
Who’s “us?” Not everyone here is American, and not all of us have the same experiences.
I really dislike randos on the internet deigning to speak for me, or arbitrarily grouping me in with themselves; it’s a disingenuous rhetorical tactic.
I’m repeating this here because this story is about an opinion piece, not an actual report of comments from any Democrats. However, I won’t be shocked to see it repeated across the MSM until people in the DNC refute it.
If you read the posts above you’ll note that the user in question didn’t actually state why they think the Green Party candidate would be better suited for the job than the Democratic candidate.
I’ve already explained a couple reasons why I think Jill Stein would be a terrible President. I haven’t seen any reason to think Howie Hawkins would be an especially effective President either, but I’m willing to hear someone make a case for him. I don’t know who the 2024 Green Party candidate is going to be but it seems pretty stupid to blindly assume they’ll be a better candidate than Biden when they haven’t even made an announcement yet.
What I don’t have a lot of patience for is when some self-righteous third party candidate supporter opines that I’m some kind of brainwashed stooge if I vote for a Democrat.
So I guess they technically said the Green candidate was in their opinion the least ill-suited of the bunch. I read that as a sarcastic remark to begin with. Same goes for the “party loyalists” part. I have no stakes at all in this game, but this can’t be the way of discussing these things. Mindy literally came out of the gate with “So you’re okay with fascists winning! Got it!” Not trying to defend some random edgelord rattling the cage, but why are some individuals here so defensive about it? It’s not like the person swings their state single-handedly.
The Green Party hasn’t even selected a candidate for 2024 yet. The edgelord in question is saying “I’m voting for the as-yet-undetermined Green Party candidate because he or she is better than the guy you party loyalist dopes are backing!” That’s not how a serious person makes a case for their political position.
So was the direct attack on other posters before anyone said anything to them also sarcastic?
Can’t even be arsed to @ me, I guess? But yeah - that’s what is going to happen right now…
then, you know… don’t?
looks around Um… have you seen the state of politics lately? One party has gone full on fascist, and are literally passing laws to eliminate trans people. Women in many US states no longer have full bodily autonomy. There are waves of book banning, and attacks on our public libraries. They are pulling down our public schools (both k-12 and colleges/university systems). Etc. Etc. If we’re fucking defensive, it’s because shit is going down and we’re tired of people rolling their eyes and pretending like their actions have no consequences. Good for them, they can vote for a third party and feel superior to the rest of us (and I find it interesting that you dismiss the original posters attack on the community out of the fucking gate as not a problem, while focusing on my ironic comment… wonder why?)
And yes, third parties CAN have a measurable impact on elections:
This jackass quite nearly got us a fascist asshole as one of our senators… Depending on the election, it can come down to a few votes, especially the more local you get.
I’m sorry that we don’t live in a fucking perfect world where we can all vote for the bestest person who has the most bestest politics… but here we are. Some of us are just trying to stave off utter disaster here, and people acting like their vote should only be a bit of virtue signaling right now is not particularly helpful.
It’s not shame! It’s accepting reality. If someone chooses to put their efforts into convincing folks to vote for a candidate that results in the candidate neither they, nor the “mainstream” candidates wanted in office, I mean, they did something there, right? It’s not shameful to call that out, it’s saying “Hey look, your actions have consequences.” If they feel shame for their actions, well, they should consider that before they vote, no?
Otherwise you’re saying “I should be free to vote for whom I choose, tell people I did so, and face no negative repercussions for my choice”. I mean, they came here to specifically say that’s what they were doing, after all.
Yes, I’m aware… Did i say anywhere that that wasn’t a problem? Did I say that Biden was the bestest guy ever and we should all love dear leader? Have I ever given anyone here the impression that I’m not keenly aware of just how utterly flawed of a country we live in? Do I not regularly problematize our understanding of the present based on our countries past?
