Well golly, I guess Trump can’t be racist! Look who he hangs out with!
(Sarcasm, in case it’s not obvious.)
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What was debunked was his claim that they had donated 20K to her campaign. He did make the claim that he was supporting Clinton. Was that BS? Probably. I said-
“They did make some remarks about endorsing Clinton, but the intent of that seems questionable”.
The Telegraph did publish the interview, and claimed that Quigg told their reporter about supporting HRC.
I do not doubt that Goldman Sachs has their thumbs in as many pies as possible. however, they have endorsed HRC, and have banned employess from donating to Trump:
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Clearly Goldman Sachs has a problem associating with racists, unlike Trump.
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Say what? The article you linked to makes no mention of an endorsement. Goldman Sach’s CEO declined to say who he was supporting, and I’ve never heard of a corporation endorsing a Presidential candidate.
Their rules do preclude senior employees from making donations to the Trump campaign, but that’s because Mike Pence is a “local official” while Clinton and Kaine are not. I will allow that the timing of that rule may have alterior motives.
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A longtime, vocal supporter of Trump does a 180 because “we don’t like his hair?” Yeah, I’d take that with a grain of salt. Or rather a Dead Sea worth of salt.
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I agree, but neither do they have any particular reason to vote for Clinton. Some non-deplorable Trump voters interviewed here:
What was reported was that the DNC leadership was in the tank for HRC and engaged in some practices that favored her. Your assertion - twice - was that there were some party rules that applied to candidates that Clinton broke. I am not aware of any.
The point on “cheating” is that there are certain things candidates are required to do (eg not campaign in the polling place), there are certain things that they traditionally do (eg publish tax returns), and certain things that they ought to do (eg, not lie through their teeth). However, regulation of any of these is done by the relevant authorities (in the case of the requirements) or the voters (in the case of the lying). Candidates who engage in this bad behavior are not cheating. When I was more active in political campaigning we would have problems with the opposition campaign tearing down our posters, or planting false rumors in the press, or sending operatives into our organization as spies. In national elections nowadays we often see GOP candidates circulating false polling place information in neighborhoods that favor their opponents. Those are things that might qualify as cheating in some broad use of the term, but I am not aware that the Clinton campaign did anything of this nature. Maybe some of their supporters tore down Sanders lawn signs.
The complaints from some Sanders supporters about Clinton taking advantage of a structure favorable to her don’t make sense in the realm of party politics; building a support base among the people who run the party who are also leaders in voting constituencies (professions, ethnic communities, etc) then mobilizing that support base to work on your behalf and vote for you is exactly how party politics works, and is supposed to work.
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forget it d_r, it’s the clinton rules.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/clinton-rules/?_r=0
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They are, sadly, ignorant of how much the new Republican party has worked against them for a generation now. They have shorter life expectancy in that area of Pennsylvania, lower standard of living, few job prospects, and the jobs they can get are often dangerous (so much revolves around coal there). They’re afraid, that’s all. It really is sad to see this.
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You seem to be right. I don’t think I would have written that unless I saw it from a neutral source, but I can’t find it now.
Then you as many others remain unaware that Clinton’s campaign was coordinating and colluding with the DNC, in violation of party rules that the DNC show no bias towards candidates. All the rest that you have written is a huge rationalization that Clinton has not done anything wrong. Fine - go believe what you wish, remain blissfully ignorant. I don’t care what you think. I know what cheating is, and I know what lying is. If you want to ignore it you’ll get what you deserve - a lying and cheating president.
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I forgot. However, I can’t help feeling like Katie Couric:
KC: But, like, what ones specifically? I’m curious.
SP: All of ‘em, any of ‘em that have been in front of me over all these years.
KC: Can you name a few?
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So about half the country are nonredeemable monsters?
That’s a pretty optimistic number.
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The clever ones went to Radcliffe.
(Nothing personal anyone, just felt like a set-up for that joke)
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Although I find Trump’s character and some of his positions loathsome, I find it very hard to criticize those who are voting for him.
There will be four candidates on the ballot in all states. Three of them are not owned by Wall Street.
(tl;dr - “You need to go all the way back to 1896 to find another election in which the country’s economic elites so disproportionately favored one candidate.” - and they ain’t talking about combover boy)
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If they are voting for him because of his position on immigration, I think there is plenty to criticize there. His immigration “policies” are racist and retrograde. As everyone has pointed out, her statement never attacked all of his supporters, just the ones that are in it for the deportation of 11 million human beings and the banning of Muslims.
You honestly think that Trump’s economic policy positions aren’t going to proportionally benefit the rich, also? Really? He talks a good game, but he has nothing substantive to offer. His plan seems to include complicating the tax code and giving the top tier just as much leeway as anyone else. I’d suspect that the Wall Street types who know Trump intensely dislike him for how he’s a parody of wealth and power and the rest who just know him by reputation likely know what a terrible business man he actually is… he has a bad habit of running businesses into the ground. People like Gates, Soros, and Buffett seem to lean more to the left and at least pay lip service to dealing with economic inequality. The fact that people who’d normally vote republican are leaning towards her indicates that maybe they understand that turning the government into a business and creating a more factionalized world by being more bellicose in our foreign policy may not be the best plan of action and likely will do nothing to facilitate global trade.
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Please tell me if it’s okay to put these people in the basket of deplorables? Or is that unfair name calling?
And no, not all Trump supporters are like these assholes, of course - and no one said that. He’s just getting the support of people who believe this shite and are now feeling more empowered to play out their Turner Diaries fantasies (or worse). This shit is only going to get worse. This is not the kind of world I want to live in and I would hope none of the rest of you do either. Because a world like this is shitty. I know, because I grew up in a rural part of the south where the war on black people was never really considered over, it was just considered on hold as the racists had been excised from polite society. Why any of us would want to continue to empower them is sort of beyond me, but that’s what is happening right now, as we are debating this on the internet.
Basically, Trump is Cartman in the episode of South Park where Stan’s dad said that word on TV… He’s been doing this for pretty much the entirety of the campaign season. He’s gone way beyond dog whistles, though avoids the explicitly racist:
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If the Clinton administration would be a continuation of Obama’s, we know that the banks and brokers will continue to be coddled, but since I don’t know what Clinton promised the bankers in her secret speeches, I can’t really compare her and Trump on the economy. I do know what Stein is saying, and that is why I am voting for her.
BTW - I live in Ohio, too.
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I don’t have much argument with that, then. I like Stein much more than Clinton and would normally put her in as a write in candidate here down in GA. But given the state is up for grabs this time, I might change that. I tend to vote for third party folks, at least up ticket, as my state has been so safe.
I do think that Trump is dangerous in ways that have nothing to do with the economy and I do think that’s worth paying attention to and incorporating into our voting calculus. It might be too late to get the cat back into the bag, though.
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