That’s not inequality. For a member of a minority to not be wary of the members of a systematically empowered group does not mean doing anything that hurts or hinders the empowered ones. It just means one is being reasonably careful.
You should come to the U.S. and tell some black people that they should automatically trust the police. Lo and behold, you yourself would likely be treated warily. Again, that’s not inequality; it’s wisdom, gained via group-based experience.
I’m getting sick of this shit.
Fuck racism, fuck racists. Really. Ugh!
I don’t disagree, there’s a huge long-term problem there.
But what i’m arguing is that the way to fix it is not ‘reversing the problem’. You risk empowering the problem people if you just reverse the inbuilt racism in the other direction.
Two wrongs do not make a right, fight injustice whenever you can, but never fall into the trap of reinforcing racism by blaming a group of people for the actions of a minority of said people. Look to the future, this is a problem to fix, inflaming it in an inverse direction won’t do that.
This isn’t the first time this complex and property manager have done this. I checked the complex’s Google reviews and found this review left a week ago:
There is no way to ‘reverse the problem’ even if that was what was being implied, (and I don’t think it was);
Black people and other POC have never had the power over White folks that White men have ALWAYS had over everyone else in this country.
The US is a country based on exploitation and genocide, built explicitly for the White supremacy; no matter what our idealistically worded Constitution may say.
There’s no way to ever ‘reverse’ the entrenched outcome of US colonialism or to even ‘catch up’… Not even if there was ‘another civil war’ like so many seem to think will happen.
The foundation of our society is drenched in blood and tears, and that fact affects every aspect of life in America to this very day, whether some of us are willing to admit that or not.
^^^What she said.
I see little reason to say any more to you myself. You’re simply not demonstrating that you’ve read and comprehended what I’ve had to say so far.
Well, if Holland had just been civil, then maybe none of this would have happened.
History channel? Hm.
The Irish, post immigration from Ireland where they were literally being starved to death, weren’t enslaved and denied basic civic rights, like African Americans were. Within literally a decade, they were the back bone of the know nothing party, and running a major political machine out of NYC.
Much of the images of “ape like” Irish were being taken from British newspapers, too.
Again, the Irish did not face the same kind of discrimination when coming to the US. I say this as some one whose family came over during the lesser famine and identifies as an Irish American.
Literally no one said that. Discussing white supremacy, which still exists and is a real force in the world is not a Killmonger plan to kill all the white people.
In the interests of accuracy.
Sue them for assault?
There’s no such thing as reverse racism. That’s full-on white supremacist propaganda.
No such thing. There’s only the human race. Skin color is a gene allele, just like eye and hair color.
Equality is the ultimate goal, however, equity has to be achieved first. We’re no where near the point where equity in opportunity is equally distributed. Advocating for ‘meritocracy’ merely reinforces the racist status quo.
I had temporarily forgotten my history. River Crossing Apartments is just a few miles “upriver” from Broad Ripple Park. Broad Ripple Park’s original name was “White City” Park… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_City_(Indianapolis). Oddly the wiki doesn’t mention how “White City” was selected as the name in the late 1890’s early 1900’s. There’s no person mentioned named “White” and, fair enough, it is on the “White River”.
the Miami tribe had called the river Wapahani, meaning “white sands” presumably because the water was so clear you could see the white sand river bottom…
In 1997, the White River was listed as one of the United States’ most threatened rivers. Pesticides (herbicides and insecticides) are used extensively in the White River basin. Application of herbicides to corn and soybeans accounts for most of the use. The pesticides most frequently detected near the mouth of the White River during 1991–1995 were the herbicides alachlor, atrazine, cyanazine and metolachlor.
Big Pharma Lilly is allowed to use it as a sewer by it’s wholly-owned state government.
I was responding directly to your post… “if we ever faced any real world discrimination here (which I really doubt)” which made it sound as if you knew nothing about how Irish immigrants were treated when they first arrived here. Hence, my ‘educational’ post.
Yes, there’s discrimination, and then there’s Discrimination, where the differences can be described by mode, magnitude, and duration; there’s no argument there, as there shouldn’t be if a post such as mine must be thrown out there time and time again as a reminder to anti-immigrant racists.
Okay, but the trouble is (as you perhaps know), discriminatory travails suffered in the 1800s by Irish immigrants are often used by current anti-immigrant racists to blame current immigrants, especially darker ones, who get blamed for “failing” to assimilate and pull themselves up by their proverbial bootstraps as quickly as the Irish (and the Italians) did.
So, it’s hard to see how bringing up the fact that yes, they did face some discrimination in a discussion of racism faced by darker people today serves not as an effective reminder to anti-immigrant racists, but instead as an undercutting, whiteness-centering distraction and derailment that only helps the cause of anti-immigrant racists.
All that is true, but I don’t see how that anti-immigrant argument re assimilation and the white immigrants means that we on the left should shut up and not make the argument for a different interpretation.It’s called debate.
I’m sorry, but given that people who immigrated from Ireland took a step up, despite there being much anti-Catholic sentiment in parts of the US, should tell us something about that history, that escaping starvation and political oppression saved them. And many Irish almost immediately turned that around into the predominant form of oppression here (anti-black discrimination). Irish maids quickly replaced black maids in many places after the famine wave. They became part of the power structure by dominating police stations, among other institutions in the late 19th century in the NE. And they came to dominate the northern democratic party (rejected anti-slavery of the Republicans, because it meant new labor competition, among other things).
My father, my grandparents, and great grand parents did not face any meaningful discrimination - even my mother’s mother looking down her nose at my dad’s side of the family because they were Irish and catholic isn’t a form of discrimination that kept them from jobs or basic civil rights. I myself have never had someone look at me for my ethnic heritage and deny me a job or access to courts, etc. Neither has literally anyone in my family. [ETA] More importantly, no one has ever called the police on my Irish American family for swimming while Irish, or driving while Irish, or existing while Irish - and they aren’t shy about announcing their ethnic heritage to the world, either.
What interpretation are you trying to make here, though? That discrimination faced by the earliest post-famine migrants/refugees put us at such a disadvantage that it still hurts Irish Americans today (because I think that’s emphatically NOT the case)? Or is it something else you’re trying to debate on the issue of Irish discrimination and assimilation?
That people shouldn’t be automatically feared and hated just because they come from another country.
Ya sure, but effective debate means not handing ammunition to your debate opponents, which you do in a discussion about race when you point out that the Irish suffered discrimination too. It opens the door for your opponent to reply, “Yes they did indeed, and look where they are now! Why can’t blacks/Mexican immigrants/etc. pull themselves up and do the same thing? Their cultures are defective, they refuse to assimilate,” etc etc
I thought that went without saying, given the depth of anti-immigration sentiment, which the Irish American community participated in after immigrating here. Do you think either of us are arguing for anti-immigrant sentiment here, because they are Irish (or anything else). If anything I’d hope that whatever discrimination the Irish did face would have turned them into activists against anti-immigrant sentiment, but more often than not, it wasn’t the case.
The point that we’re trying to make here is that while there were certainly some anti-ethnic discrimination, there were some pretty evident mechanisms for getting to a better social and political positions in American for Europeans.
Yes, because they joined in the other side of that. Bernadette Devlin in the 1960s, expressed serious frustration with the diaspora because of that. She didn’t understand how the Irish in American didn’t automatically throw in their lot with the oppressed classes in America.
