Cruz soundly beats Trump in Iowa; Hillary edges past Bernie

Agreed. The whole “better play it safe now and maybe we can push things further next time” approach is beyond tired.

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I didn’t mean Bernie’s fringe. Because he’s not. The fringe has embraced him though. And he seems to be deliberately courting it. And his whole campaign is starting to look a little…

Do you know what it reminds me of? Those Larouche people you used to see set up in every college campus. First its all “hey bro let’s play hackey sack” and “hey do you know about Larouche, check out this pamphlet”. Next thing you know you’ve been stuck for 2 hours and that dude is shouting about chem trails, while his booth mate brings up acupuncture. And all you can remember is that you said no to the initial question, repeatedly. It’s starting to remind me of that.

There’s a deep undercurrent of weird bubbling around Bernie. He’s not out and out embracing it. But he’s poking it with a stick.

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The campaign that tied Clinton last night? Yeah, that seems pretty “fringe.”

The problem with Clinton is that I don’t believe a word that comes out of her mouth or that she wouldn’t say or promise anything in order to get elected. She’s a bought and sold part of the Democratic machine.

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Jam tomorrow.

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Can we also talk about the sudden disappearance of Ben Carson? According to his campaign manager he ran off to Florida on the eve of the very first Caucus to get some “fresh clothes”:

Which is just ridiculous. You don’t go to Florida to get “fresh clothes,” you go to Bel Air.

“Getting fresh clothes” sounds similar to the Mark Sanford euphemism of “hiking the Appalachian Trail.” I’m not saying Carson is having an affair or anything, but “getting fresh clothes” definitely sounds like a cover for something else, like maybe drowning his sorrows in some single malt Scotch.

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I thought he kept his fresh clothes in a pyramid in Egypt anyway.

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Ugh indeed, but it seems to quote sources like the Guardian. I didn’t have the stomach to read it. Is it legitimate?

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As you’d expect, it isn’t legit.

Clinton herself didn’t start it, but some of her bitter “PUMA” supporters did without her support.

Not that Clinton was an angel who reacted graciously the when her expectations were thwarted in 2008. I’ll never forget her rural PA speech that referenced “hard-working Americans … white Americans” not supporting Obama. When her sense of entitlement is threatened she’s willing to play dirty and unleash dirty tricksters like Sid Blumenthal.

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Uh hunh. Where? I work on a college campus in Reno, Nevada and I have yet to see any Unification Church or LaRouche methods employed by Sanders’ people. We are 3rd in line among the early states, and we should be already in the throes of the propaganda push.

As another poster gently noted above, you seem to prefer Clinton. You seem to be politely but relentlessly spinning every spark of enthusiasm for Sanders you’ve seen as indicative of: 1) fringe-rawfood-polyamorism style character deficiencies or 2) political amateurism.

It is a rather clever, passive-aggressive tack you’ve taken, but the net of it is… beginning to add up to driving trollies for Clinton. Sanders supporters are just not the collection of boors and loons you want them to be. If they were - given what I do and where I am located - I’d have seen some evidence of it by now.

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Dude, liking one candidate does not mean you dislike the other. Stop creating false dichotomies there.

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Bernie Sanders or I’m out…i really can’t bear to bring myself to vote for the lesser of two evils yet again in my lifetime. Enough is enough. Hillary would never ever get my vote nor would any of the republican ass hats.

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No, it’s cool, see, because they even put the words “big” and “journalism” into the link. Breitbart: putting the “turd” in “turd” since wheneverthefuck they emerged from said turd.

Turd-monger ‘Breitbart’ confirms that ‘Washington Post’ confirms that ‘Breitbart’ is full of shit.

No.

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I have to disagree with that. Anyone in the power structure of the US Government who is channeling their government communications through a personal server, whether hosted at NameCheap or on a personal whiz-bang server, reveals a deep misunderstanding of current communications/network technology as well as a dose of hubris the size of Texas.

The first moment HRC sent out a “Let’s do lunch” email to her pals at the [XXX] embassy from that email address, that server was marked for intrusion/exfiltration. Doesn’t matter that USG information systems get or have gotten hacked, setting that email system outside the aegis of USG policy and support was, at best, a terrible idea.

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With O’Malley’s withdrawal, the average age of the Democratic field as of Jan. 2016 will be 72.

The vice presidential choice will be important.

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Gee, you don’t think the SoS’ “convenience” is worth it???

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See, I was skimming that Breitbart article (reading only the quotations and checking the sources of the quotations but reading none of the analysis) and thinking, “Ugh, this seems awfully damning of Hillary Clinton and her supporters.” But, of course, tacking on the conclusion that Clinton actually started birtherism is just wishful thinking. I do tend to blame politicians for things their supporters do, though. I mean, obviously you can’t hold them fully, personally accountable, but there is a very blurry line between supporters acting totally on their own and supporters acting as a logical extension of the official campaign (or even acting on a wink and nudge). There’s way too much, “It wasn’t me, it was ten people who briefed me daily acting in a conspiracy to do something they knew I would never approve of to benefit me,” in politics.

It does affect my view of Clinton that her supporters started Birtherism, but Breitbart doesn’t have to go around making shit up (except that they do have to do that because it is their business model).

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It always is.

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Thoughts?

I’m not sure what you’re referring to. Ryuthrowsstuff made some statements that expressed a dislike for Bernie Sanders for reasons I was trying to understand better since Ryuthrowsstuff’s stated reasons didn’t seem to make sense. Reread Ryuthrowsstuff’s statements and tell me that there weren’t expressions of disliking for Sanders there.

hmclachlan likewise seemed to think Ryuthrowsstuff was expressing a distaste for Sanders, though I didn’t go so far as to state that it seemed like a passive-aggressive attempt at supporting Clinton.