One last thing and then I promise I’ll go back to posting about rainbow-loving unicorns. Statistics do sometimes give us a clear picture. I lived in a Mississippi Delta town, Indianola, which was, at the time I lived there, about 80% African-American. Yet, they had a white mayor.
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She never said that. You are quoting Dick Morris.
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Sorry, I have a knee jerk reaction to that phrase since it’s often used out of context to perpetuate a smear that she’s less honest than other politicians. Your response did not do that
I agree that it looks like he will probably lose, but what does that mean? If we take 538’s numbers, then a Trump victory is still more likely than losing a round of Russian roulette. Is that good enough to sleep well? Yes, those predictions shouldn’t be taken as gospel and a lot will happen until November. The again I am not sure anyone has a better prediction at the moment and a lot can happen either way.
From the interview transcript in your own story:
CLINTON: She’d gone, what she thought would be just a great jog. She was going to go down to Battery Park, she was going to go around the towers. She went to get a cup of coffee and – and that’s when the plane hit.
Also in your story is confirmation that Chelsea was at home during the attack.
I’m not saying this is a big deal; it isn’t (for example) part of HRC’s stump speech. It is, however, part of a pattern of saying things, probably without thinking, that are slightly off and that with help from the GOP can be interpreted as lies. It sucks that she has to be more careful about little misstatements than other have to be about whoppers, but it is there.
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To be fair, @Jilly neither said that nor implied it. The implication is that the pool of viable female candidates (of any race) should have been tapped noticeably sooner than the pool of viable black male candidates simply because there are more than four times as many women in this country than there are black men. (And noticeably more women than there are men in general, though men have been getting All The Elected Offices for centuries.)
But I still stand by what I said: in 2008, it was practically a coin flip. With the weakness of the GOP and their candidates, we were either going to end up with the first black president or the first female one. Had Clinton been even slightly less unpopular in certain circles on the left, she would have won back then.
And despite her continued unpopularity in those circles (to say nothing of her even greater unpopularity in Republican circles), she’s gonna win this time. Doesn’t mean than sexism has been solved and is no longer an issue, any more than Obama’s election fixed race relations in the USA. But it’s still a big and important and long-overdue step.
Yup. I agree.
I agree with this, too.
Personally, I don’t mind them flapping around like a gaggle of headless geese, but yeah: if they want to prevent a future occurrence of this year’s clusterfuck, they’re gonna have to curate their candidates better.
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I do think that sexism is a major subconscious factor in the loathing Clinton creates. Sexism is much more widespread and more widely tolerated than racism. Trump’s open flat out misogyny isn’t brought up nearly as much as his racism which, unlike his misogyny, he veils. In the minds of a whole lot of people, women have their place, and if they work hard and push to get things done, they are seen as monsters. Women aren’t tolerated when they do the kinds of things Hillary Clinton does, while nobody would blink at a man doing the identical things.
That’s certainly not all, there’s the decades of orchestrated GOP smears that have been internalized to the point that it’s taken for granted that Hillary’s some kind of conniving she-devil. For instance, despite her not really being any more dishonest than a typical politician, many people take it for granted she’s some pathological liar and let the confirmation bias take over, despite the claim not being borne out by reality. It just feels true if you’ve already been influenced by the propaganda.
There is the fact that she’s an establishment Dem. who’s been friendly to Wall Street and the DLC style politics that alienate the left, voted to support force in Iraq, and did a lot of other things to alienate the left. But were she a man with the same policies and behaviors I sincerely believe she’d be at least 10 points higher in the polls.
I’m pretty doubtful. People who attended the speeches have given recaps. While they’re nothing to be pleased by, they’re not 47% class horrible from the descriptions, but rather rah-rah speeches that aren’t pretty, but aren’t akin to claiming that half of Americans are leeches.
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Indeed, I agree. So, I have a question. If some other woman was running, would she win? Then, or now?
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I love you. That’s all.
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Sexism is the constant. No matter who’s being oppressed.
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You should check out her twitter feed. It’s a nice mix of actual policy positions with Trump trouncing. I don’t watch TV (it’s a patience-and-hatred-for-commercials issue, not a “better than those who do” issue) so I don’t know how it compares to her other efforts to win the presidency. But her twitter is edging on great.
Any attempt to be coherent at this point will split the party. Probably pretty hard. You can’t have logical consistency with the incompatible mishmash of core beliefs they’ve sold their base on without being incoherent.
Skip the presidency if you really have to but please vote for the other offices. Especially state legislature. And do it two years from now also.
No kidding. I’m hearing vicious conspiracy theories from (omg I can’t believe I’m about to say this … “I’m getting old!”) twenty years ago crop out of the woodwork. Stuff I remember from my teenage years. Absolute bullshit from so long ago. Taken seriously today. Because the Republicans passionately hate Hillary for being a woman who is a strong leader.
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Exactly. Because it is threatening. What if a woman was in charge? And she had her period and went crazy cakes? Okay, sorry, that’s a straw man, but I’ve been swimming upstream for too long.
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I wish it was a straw man. I still have to hear “period = nuclear attacks” on a regular basis. 
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Okay, this is a bit O/T… (I agree with what you’re saying RE: sexism)
What is a yellow-dog Democrat?
The internet tells me that’s someone who votes straight ticket for Dems, regardless of who? Wouldn’t that mean they’d be happy with (happier?) Clinton than Sanders (who isn’t really a Dem?).
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I’m out. I just want a woman president, probably too much that I forgive her unforgiveable faults. But can you blame me? I just want to point to my daughter and say “See? This is possible.”
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Yeah, probably. I mean, maybe not as much as 10%, maybe more than 10%, but definitely higher. To my mind, though, she’s more-or-less interchangeable with Bill Clinton. Which is a gross oversimplification and not objectively true, but that’s my own visceral reaction to the pair of them. They can do a lot of good… but a whole hell of a lot will be compromised on the way, much of it unnecessarily.
Hard to say, isn’t it? Few politicians of any gender have her depth of experience, or her raw political mind. And those things, combined with the last 25 years of sexist bullshit she’s had to put up with, has made her tough as a bag of nails. I know that there are a great many women with the raw talent and education and intelligence and courage and integrity and political instinct and charisma to win the office and serve it with distinction, but there are few indeed who have been allowed to obtain the depth of experience that Secretary Clinton has accumulated. And I think that experience is the main thing that’s going to get her elected, since so many of her other attributes are widely perceived to be defects.
In a few years, Senator Warren could have that depth of experience, or near enough. I think she could win, if she wanted to run. Outgoing Senator Boxer has the chops, I believe, but she’ll turn eighty when the next presidential election happens, so I don’t think she particularly relishes the prospect of shouldering that burden after 34 years on The Hill.
“Some other woman”? Sure. I strongly believe Clinton’s election is a foregone conclusion at this point, and that opens the door for any number of competent women to take the job. If anything, the next female candidate probably won’t have to overcome quite so much negative perception on her way to the White House.
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It’s a bit depressing that the most positive thing about a Clinton presidency will probably be her getting elected in the first place (downhill all the way from there?).
But maybe it’s not that unhealthy that I have low (realistic?) expectations of her on a par with what I thought Obama’s second term would be like.
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According to my husband, who’s been around a lot longer than me (he was able to vote for Jimmy Carter), yellow-dog means he would vote for a dog before Republican.
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Yeah, I was wondering. I knew what a blue-dog was (my congresscritter Adam Schiff is one), but hadn’t heard this term before.
The wasn’t for you, it was for the misogyny. I mostly agree with your posts on the thread. Sorry if I’m explaining unnecessarily. 
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