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I’m not here to argue for the Guardian, I was just stating that they had done some pretty heinous stuff, but hadn’t crossed the line into unredeemable, at least to my current knowledge.

In the end, it’s not for me to say, when someone who has loads more on the line say that it is, that’s where I bow out. The borderer’s info about most political parties here in the UK was an eye opener, and I am open to learning more aout these issues (and aware how much I don’t know).

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Ok I actually read that drivel and responded to it. I hope I can spare some one else the trouble.

Paragraph 1: Author describes how the increased scrutiny over the shape and definition of women’s bodies has negatively affected her via too much editorial oversight.

Paragraph 2: She relays an example of how her own educational and economic privilege and the privilege of other women like her in her country enabled her to become a journalist despite sexism making that more difficult.

Paragraph 3: She relays how ignoring criticism and pushing against editorial voices helped further her success in a variety of ways despite her hard work being marginalized due, again, mainly to sexism.

Paragraph 4: She makes some uncharitable assumptions of her co-workers and critics and then talks shit about them. Always a good look when leaving a job.

Paragraph 5: She makes some weird logical claims that sound more poetic than factual such as “Bad columns don’t come from bad opinions, they come from a lack of conviction.” I would argue that this is can be demonstrated to be untrue and think some data analysis could help. This part reads like a break up letter and really could have used more professional editing imo. She’s making a case for her editors by example which kind of defeats the point she set up in the past paragraphs about how editors were just in her way.

Paragraph 6: I guess she’s done talking? She just kind of stops here. Her point was? Oh yeah so then she wrote an article, the article, as it were. Damn this is long…

she jumps to her resignation and things get toxic again for a while she adds “context” that mostly involves things like criticizing people who criticized her for not criticizing other things instead, anecdotes of life in a competitive work environment full of sexism, her fight for competitive pay. Holy shit it takes a long time but she finally gets to quoting something she actually said and WTF of course she got push back for that what a shitty thing to publish… she then body shames the Kardashians some and uses degrading language to describe their breasts because she’s… such a good feminist…

this is gonna keep going… She frames herself as a class underdog. I’m not really aware enough of UK political parties and class intersectionality to completely parse some of this. I barely understand my own back yard. It’s also mostly irrelevant as far as I can tell other than her position of privilege has put her into a lot of politically charged situations and exposed her to a lot of class difference.

She acknowledges murdering people isn’t good. Well that’s nice, glad she agrees with that. She calls the guardian a cult. She points to the fact that many sex workers are murdered but seems to take far greater issue with the words people use to describe the intersection of sex and labor, and she subtly shifts the discussion to semantics and diction… away from the language of empowerment and equality.

I don’t really understand what she is referring to here but I think she is comparing maybe accusations of anti-antisemitism being used to support Israel when perhaps Israel shouldn’t be supported to her own issues?

She now tells us of a torrent of misogynistic abuse the likes of which probably many famous women know about all to well. Just imagine the godawful things people write about Kim Kardashian…

But her litany of grievances converges finally here on a single word: TERF.

She then divides everything conceptually as a war between men and women and refutes allegations that her attitude results in increased suicide rates with a statement that I can only interpret as “well all the kids are killing themselves more actually” which… well maybe all the things that are linked to that should be subject to caution? Right?

Ok I’m calling it. That’s some stupid shit… She doesn’t want to believe it but what she said was shitty and cruel and her coworkers mostly disliked working with her… harsh but that’s how it is sometimes.

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Same as it ever was for such opportunistic haters who seem utterly incapable of any honest self reflection:

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That’s always a good place to start.

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I’m ungrateful and entitled and don’t you forget it!

ALL women in all places are feeling the chilling effect on free speech from the far right one way or another, but her upset this time is happening because she’s edited for potentially amplifying that signal… the one that polices women’s bodies and oppresses them based on it. And it doesn’t seem to be giving her pause at all. That’s just obnoxious.

She lays out a pretty good case for how a network of supportive women in power can be life altering and lead to great success but ultimately in context her argument just amounts to an opinion that some women should be denied access to the same while demonstrating that the resulting defensiveness can lead to an extreme inability to compromise.

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They aren’t irredeemable yet, but they are at crawl across a mile of broken glass and hot coals, then I’ll believe you truly want forgiveness. The only way they will change is by purging the senior editors and their allies, then assessing everyone else on a case by case basis, from the top down.

I can’t say much more without putting someones job in danger.

Thank you for your service, I saw UnHerd and that alone was enough reason to dismiss it as having no value. That site is where Zentrum and fascism come to debate.

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Do you know people who work at the Guardian?

Yes, and I really can not say anything more other than they don’t have the power to change anything on their own.

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Oh no! I owe you a pint. I quoted her as evidence that she’s a bad person, but beyond that her words are without merit.

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Age has helped a lot with that, especially the hindsight being 20/20 (there’s plenty to regret behind me :frowning: )

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