I’m a PhD and I agree with this statement
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Whatever it actually is – I’m going to guess some kind of military air-and-space craft built by some nation, America’s or someone else’s – there must be so much value in keeping it quiet that people such as former CIA chiefs are happy to “speculate” to the press that it’s, y’know… maybe aliens!?
Definitely not accidental footage of a new drone. Definitely not that.
Where in that interview does Fravor “brag about creating UFO hoaxes”? Genuinely curious.
At about 49 minutes in. The video should begin right when he starts talking about it.
Pfft… These entities are terrestrial, but interdimensional beings. Fight me.
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Yah, this straw man is a newer one in that crowd. Like all woo, the UFO people get more sophisticated over time with their nonsense. I think it comes from the popularity of Contact and the Drake equation, combined with the huge numbers of exoplanets being discovered regularly. Nobody can deny the mathematical certainty of life out there somewhere, so the Roswell nuts have incorporated that into their logical fallacies.
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Opinionated pseudo intellectual here. I stand with you two.
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Because it is boring. And wouldn’t save Trump.
General Flynn was head of the DIA, he is no idiot. If there was anything that would have helped Trump Flynn would have a clue and would have told someone where to go digging.
People are bad at keeping secrets. The more people involved the harder it is to keep it secret.
Well said. This shall henceforth be known as the Giraffe Falacy.
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That may be a bit of a stretch.
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The claims made by most UFOlogists are sufficiently exotic that the inductive certainty that they’re nonsense is more akin to “will the sun rise tomorrow?” than to the results of ordinary scientific exploration.
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You have that backwards- the burden of proof is on the people making the claim. You say aliens are buzzing our planet, the we’re gonna need a hell of a pile of very impressive evidence, because it would violate everything we currently know about physics and the universe. That doesn’t make it impossible, that just sets the bar of evidence necessarily high. See @anon73430903 ‘s reply for more.
Protip: 50 years of lens flares, blurry photos of Venus, presidential innuendos, and anecdotes from overworked pilots is not high quality evidence.
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I say no such thing, and I don’t think I have anything backwards. It’s a truth baked into the very rules of logic that you can’t prove a negative. I don’t know what you heard, but the point I actually made is pretty uncontroversial.
Yes, we’re all aware of “absence of evidence is not evidence of absence”.
Still doesn’t mean anything besides the jury is still out… on the whole thing, neither proved or disproved.
Says someone who’s totally not a swamp creature. Have you ever even seen a scifi movie? /s
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There is no extraordinary bar. The only extraordinary bar, is the one Carl Saigan indoctrinated you with.
There is testimonies by credible observers, corroboration between observers, radar reading, FLIR readings, obvious efforts to obfuscate. All this evidence would convict a man of a charge in the court of law; but somehow, it’s never enough for skeptics.
To paraphrase Cuba Gooding Jr: Show me the saucer!
Why? If anyone shows you a saucer, you’ll find a way to rationalize your disbelief of it.
Aliens have no incentive to show you a saucer, if they did they would have a diplomatic mess of dumb sapiens freaking out.
The military has no incentive to show you a saucer: if some leakers did, they would have to violate some national security oath, and their lives would become a living hell; and the institution as a whole as no incentive to show you a saucer, if they did they would have a PR mess and would be open to constitutional lawsuits for lying to the public for 70 years.
Your rhetorical “bar” of someone going out of their way to show you a saucer is unrealistic, impractical, and useless, and only serves to satisfy your ego.
Blurry images and subjective recollections do not evidence make, not when claiming fantasies are real. If you can’t whip out non-Terrestrial genetic material and technologies, you will not convince me. BTW I was once an invited mod on a leading conspiracy-UFO-paranormal site and I’ve seen more excuses than Boingers can devise. Credible evidence of alien ETs and space-faring UFOs just haven’t appeared.
Again, past strange observations were attributed to deities and spirits. In a more technical age, techie explanations are offered. With cam-phones now ubiquitous, we’d expect to see sharp photos of ETs, cryptids, and were-critters. So I’m fair to demand: Show me the saucer!
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Testimony is evidence - look the definition up.
Take a picture of an airplane at night, and tell me again how sharp the photo is.
Now you want genetic material and technologies? You’re just moving the rhetorical goalpost so you can stay entrenched in your ideas. You just flew right past extraordinary evidence, and went straight to impossible evidence, just because you absolutely don’t want to entertain an different idea.
So no, you are not fair to demand this, and it’s also not my responsibility to show you anything.
But, for the sake of argument, and for the sake that you get some measure of why I do believe the ‘non-human’ hypothesis is a legitimate one; let’s discuss the 2004 TicTac sighting, which was reported in 2017 in the New York Times.
That event was publicly corroborated by around 7-8 officers, but probably more anonymously:
(the following info was copy-pasted from various sources)
- Squadron Commander David Fravor, navy pilot of 18 years, who pursued one of the UFOs/UAP/AAV with his fighter jet
- Lt. Cmdr. Jim Slaight, his wingman in the fighter jet
- Gary Voorhis, Petty Officer 3rd Class, who looked at the object through binoculars on the ship
- Kevin Day, Radar operator on the USS Princeton, Operations Specialist Senior Chief, who observed the object on radar
- Lt. Chad Underwood, the Navy pilot who filmed the ‘Tic Tac’ UFO video
- Ryan Weigelt, the former Leading Petty Officer and power plant specialist for the SH-60B “Seahawk” helicopter, who witnessed the object
- Sean Cahill, Princeton’s (retired) Chief Master-at-Arms, who reported seeing what appeared to be another grouping of the objects from the missile cruiser’s deck
- Jason Turner former Petty Officer 3rd Class, sailor aboard the USS Princeton
Personally, I would like to know what is the extraordinary evidence that would explain how you have convinced yourself that these officers are lying or mistaken…
This sighting presents many of the 5 observables that as a whole make it an “extraordinary” UFO:
(reference https://www.history.com/news/ufo-sightings-speed-appearance-movement)
- Anti-gravity lift
- Sudden and instantaneous acceleration
- Hypersonic velocities without signatures
- Low observability, or cloaking
- Trans-medium travel
It’s these caracteristics that have baffled the intelligence agencies, and the reason why a UFO Task Force was put in place (reference https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/13/politics/pentagon-ufo-task-force/index.html)
