Where is the racism row in the chart exactly? My browser must be clipping it.
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Well letâs see previous elections.
2012:
2008:
Thatâs the end of the easily obtainable information, but it look like Romney already gained the economic votes (TEA Party conservatives I assume considering the local politicians) over Obama in 2012, so the surge in Trump voting does appear to be over immigration - especially considering terrorism dropped off the radar. Turnout was greater and Trump got more votes than Romney - a Michigan native.
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I think @Medievalist is objecting to the idea that âconcern about terrorismâ + âconcern about immigrationâ = racist.
I do not.
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If I explained that the top concern of Trump voters is immigration which dovetails with Trumpâs massively racist messages about immigrants, while their second top concern of terrorism wasnât worries about white terrorists, which dovetailed with Trumpâs raging bigotry against Muslims, would you try to suggest that this wasnât really racism? If so then letâs just drop it since I donât want to encourage that kind of thing. If not, then there you go, itâs obvious to those who are willing to look.
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And thatâs the lesson from Australia and Europe over the last few decades, too; anti-immigrant xenophobia is a powerful motivator for the right.
To counter it, the left has two options: either join in on the bashing of brown people, or step up their game and actually deliver on the goals of their base rather than constantly selling them out to donor interests.
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Yeah basically.
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Unfortunately, you can guess which option the donor class prefer.
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Of the four Trump voters I actually know, 3 are concerned about immigration, and two are concerned about terrorism, and one thinks Hillary Clinton is the devil, but zero are racists.
But what do I know? I didnât even know I was a threatening facist, until you guys told me so. Obviously my sample is too small for any meaningful generalizations to be drawn from it.
Perhaps if the latter option is chosen, itâll work regardless of whether everyone we donât like is a racist or not. Hmm, I see a certain beauty in that idea.
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Seriously, I think this data hammers a coffin nail into the idea that Clinton lost because she was in the pocket of the bankers and/or a warmonger.
BTW, I agree with @Medievalist that someone who supported Trump because of views on immigration and terrorism need not be a racist. They could just be ignorant and hopelessly naive.
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I would argue that in many ways all the âconcernâ we have seen over immigration in the last century or so has been based off of or around racism. The idea of limiting immigration purely based on skin color, ethnicity, or country of origin (especially if you put greater limits on countries with primarily non-white populations) is in itself a form of racism.
Look at the way asian immigrants to the United States were treated starting in the 1800âs and lasting into the mid-late 20th century. The arguments we hear today about the dangers of immigration have not changed for 100âs of years, just their target. Other than that I agree completely with your comment.
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Iâd categorize Firewood Guy as ignorant, but he is smart enough to understand that current immigration policies are impoverishing him, because his direct competition are paid less than minimum wage and donât officially exist. Unfortunately for FG, I think neither Democrats nor Republicans are going to be putting a stop to that. Which ties back into what @wanderfound said.
Gotta go, bye.
Thatâs a red herring. I posted data, not anecdotes, and that data isnât in line with your anecdotes.
Of the five Trump voters I know reasonably well (one being my mom) all are racists, though itâs possible youâd say they werenât. Theyâre generally polite to minorities, all vehemently claim they arenât racists, and all say and propagate racist ideas (some subtler than others), and all share in acting like racists by (among other things) supporting and voting for Trump while knowing he was intending to impose a regime of racial persecution. All were aware, since I confronted each about it.
If someone voted for Trump, they supported a regime of racial persecution and are a racist in that respect. Even if they really, really hated Clinton, they still supported empowering a racist to establish a regime of racial persecution. Every Trump voter is racist save perhaps a miniscule handful so ill informed they never heard about building the wall and mass persecution of illegal aliens, calling Mexicans rapists and murderers, and all the rest. Opinion and exit polling data also backs up that Trump voters are racist, so if it wasnât obvious by their behavior, thereâs data too.
If youâd like to explain how people who acted to support racism arenât racist, and who when polled express racist attitudes, this would really not be a good use of your time, since youâd be better just living with that cognitive dissonance quietly and not acting to carry water for racists yourself. Seriously. Youâre doing yourself no favors here.
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As far as I am concerned that isnât a issue that in any way relates to immigration, thatâs the fault of corporations attempting to increase their profit margins. Do you think immigrants like getting paid less? Iâll put this in comparison to something Iâm relatively sure you and me agree on, drug legalization (or at least decriminalization). When you force something or someone under the table, you make it virtually impossible to regulate the market. When you allow a immigrant to become a legal citizen you also put them in a position where they can make people pay them at least minimum wage and report employer infractions.
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So he should vote for the person most likely to give that competition status in the country, so he can compete on an equal playing field. If he thought the chain-link wall would save his income he is hopelessly naive.
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Oh goody. Another sodding retired military guy, or the Exxon CEO?
EDIT:
I really donât want to play this down. The kleptocrats are bad enough, but a quasi-military government headed by this authoritarian nutsack? Doesnât bear thinking about.
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Come on faithless electors. A civil war might actually be better than the global chaos and conflict this narcissistic nitwit would unleash.
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You donât think twitter is the best way of conducting international diplomacy (for want of a better word)?
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It would take surprisingly little for China to fuck over tech temporarily or permanently from their Taiwan relationship alone without changing their trade policies with the US.
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This opposition to Ellison has the stink of âhey guys, letâs just pivot to courting white people!â
Not the ADL issue, the actual establishment response.
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And in ânobody is remotely surprised anymoreâ news, Trumpy nominates the guy he said should die because heâs âincurably pathological like a child molesterâ to lead the HUD, and says heâs a âbrilliant national leaderâ despite never having held any public office.
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