Front and back of a T-shirt for our times.
Also, holy Lasso of Truth, Batgirl, this thread is more prunable than I vividly imagined!
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Well, since the treatment, opportunities and public portrayal of men and women in today’s world is entirely equivalent and equitable then that makes perfect…oh, fucksocks! /s
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Listen to it. “You…” It was a sexual comment on the very edge of propriety, just over it in fact, followed by his twisting the knife, “just own it.” What? She needs to own NOTHING. He’s the one foisting this stupid shit on her and keeping going with it, making it more and more uncomfortable. And this isn’t the first time he’s acted like a lech. It’s his normal mode and frankly it stinks.
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Yes, because I didn’t detect sexual innuendo. It is a serious question.
This might be illuminating. Cancel Culture.
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I have always found jim carrey to be unwatchable and obnoxious. From seeing his work you can just tell he’s a spaz with no filter in real life who for some reason the powers that be in Hollywood have decided we should be forced to watch.
It is no surprise that he also is a sexist asshole.
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This is a huge part of the problem. Instead people praised the interviewer for handling it “professionally” where in this case professional means allowing someone to make sleazy sexual comments at you. Similarly when Carrey made comments about Margot Robbie last week prior complimented Robbie for keeping cool about it.
People shouldn’t be subjected to creepy sexual advances as part of their jobs. I’m a professional. If I dealt with someone making offensive or creepy remarks directed at me I would politely let then know that their behaviour is inappropriate and carry on. If they persisted I might end up cutting them off and saying I won’t be subjected to that. But in the entertainment industry there is still - post me too - an expectation that men get to be creeps and the “professional” thing to do is to suck it up.
Which is another thing. This is press for a children’s movie. It sounds as though the PR team should have known not to let Carrey out of the box.
“Do” with a human as the object often means “have sex with.” It’s definition 21 in Merriam Webster:
So if I say, “I’d like to do Jim Carrey” it would be understood to mean I want to have sex with Jim Carrey.
Now if this isn’t a misunderstanding about the meaning of the word “do” but is rather a discussion about whether it qualifies as innuendo then I’m on your side. I don’t think that my example above would be an innuendo, I think it would be the plain meaning of my words.
Jim Carrey didn’t make a sexual innuendo, Jim Carrey was asked what experience they would like to have to compete their life and they answered using plain language, “have sex with you.”
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It’s whataboutism to call it harassment without knowing her thoughts on it.
The defining characteristic of harassment is that it’s unwanted, and we don’t know her thoughts, so we can’t call it that.
There was also something about him giving an STD to his ex girlfriend who killed herself.
The guy’s just pure class. And his paintings suck too.
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I’m sorry you were subjected to that and I’m sorry that it caused you to normalize that behaviour and think that it’s okay to make sexual jokes to the people at the DMV.
Is it? What does “whataboutism” mean to you and how does it apply here?
My understanding of the term is that it refers to when someone raises something they find problematic and someone else says “what about” this other thing that is problematic rather than engage with the thing itself. I don’t see how that applies here.
I’m also not sure it matters how the interviewer felt about it. Carrey was normalizing the expectation that in the entertainment industry you are supposed to roll with sexual advances. That’s the bottom rung if the ladder that lead to people like Weinstein and Jimmy Saville being protected.
I make jokes with my friends that I would know not to make it I were being televised. If Carrey and this interviewer were both in on the joke they still should have known not to make it in that setting.
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Which mouth was he talking out of at the time?
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Talk shows get like this. Here are 2 professionals “on the job”. They are having a fun, flirtatious, innuendo-filled conversation. She mentions how she wants to drink from his “snake cup” after the show, she “likes riding the back of men’s horses”, and she mentions she’s blushing “on the inside” in a way that can only be interpreted as sexual arousal. Finally, she overtly states she is sexually aroused.
Are these 2 sexually harassing each other? Is she a victim because she’s a woman? Or, is it just 2 people having some fun and flirting for the camera?
It’s only harassment if the actions are unwanted.
Nice try. Ferguson established early in his Late Late Show tenure where he was going to take the show, and the guests signed up for that. Also, for every “outrageous” youtube clip of him and his guests flirting, there is one where he started kicking off the flirting, the guest was uncomfortable with it, and he apologized & changed the subject.
Finally, it was the Late Late Show aired after midnight, not a kids show. Though that bit of inappropriateness takes a distant second to the harassment.
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The reporter is a professional doing her job, which doesn’t include making sexual innuendos. Unlike Kate Mara, she is at a real disadvantage in terms of star power compared to Carrey. Objecting could, at best, get her called unprofessional, or at worst, harm her career.
Or, to quote some guy whose name I forget at the moment: “When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”
Add in “It’s a compliment” and “Relax and enjoy it” and you have a good summary of what women have been taught throughout history.
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And that makes all the difference. Seriously.
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“This is a ridiculous non-story. Jim’s full quote was ‘Just you! That’s it, I’m all done now!’ clearly and good-naturedly referring to the interview as being on the top of his bucket list,” Carrey’s rep, Marleah Leslie, told USA TODAY in an emailed statement Thursday. "It was in no way a reference to the journalist herself. This is another example of a clickbait headline pandering to the dark side of “scroll culture” — a dirty business done by and for people with dirty minds.”
His rep’s statement to USA Today.
I tried to get her statement on twitter but it is private. I’m still looking for a copy.
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Does it truly matter what she said about it? Why hound the victim over it?
His statements are the issue. Even if one tends to take the extremely generous stance of giving Carrey the benefit if the doubt, it doesn’t change the fact that his “compliment” was poorly worded and landed in a harmful way. If he’d given half a rat’s ass about her feelings, he would have apologized.
He didn’t.
Carrey and his actions are the focus here, not the reporter and her reaction. Arguments to the contrary smell like an attempt at victim-blaming to me.
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I am not hounding anybody, I went to read what the victim had to say about the encounter in her own words. Yes, what she thinks truly matters. Or do you think her oppinion has no value?
The most important part of the situation is what he did. Her opinion is valuable, but since she’s taken her account private, she clearly doesn’t wish to share it. Her wishes should be acknowledged and respected, not used as a flimsy excuse to discount or minimize what happened to her (which IMHO is a bad-faith argument.)
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I gotta say, all your concern and questions just come off as trying to muddy the waters of the conversation, derailing it from the actual topic at hand:
Jim Carrey made a creepy sexual comment to a reporter in an inappropriate professional setting.
How the reporter felt about it, what she did after the fact, hell, what shoes she was wearing at the time has no bearing whatsoever upon that FACT.
And by the way, reposting that same link repeatedly is spamming; you might want to not do that.
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