If Trump shuts Mexico border US will run out of avocados in three weeks

[DukeTrout]

@Mister44

Local is fine, you just have to jar/can extra when it is in season to eat later. At least, that is how we used to do it.

Given the culinary skills of the average American, I’d say that’s a good way to see salmonella cases skyrocket.

[anon62577920]

Yeah I know as a millennial I’m supposed to have a borderline fetish for guac but I worry a border closure would have serious food supply issues. After all aren’t a lot of stuff shipped up from Mexico (plantwise) used to feed cattle and other livestock? Staples like beans, rice?

It’s not a laughing matter imho

[MalevolentPixy]

C-bot.

Mmmmm… Tastes like paralysis.

[Wanderfound]

@chad_boudreau1

That story is (likely) only about how we treated the dead people we found.

Those deaths are the direct consequence of the “deterrence” policy that began with the Clinton administration.

Death as ‘Deterrence’: the Desert as a Weapon - Alliance for Global Justice

A March 2010 Congressional Research Service report entitled “Border Security: the Role of the Border Patrol” candidly details government policy goals and strategies in recent history. In 1994, the report explains, the U.S. adopted a “new policy” of militarizing urban border areas in order to reroute and steer anticipated human migration into “geographically harsher,” “more remote and hazardous border regions” (mostly through the Arizona desert), as a way of “deterring” migrants from crossing.

The new “vision” of the deterrence strategy to bring the border “under control” is outlined in a July 1994 Border Patrol planning document entitled “Border Patrol Strategic Plan: 1994 and Beyond”. The perception of the border environment is explicitly used to demonstrate that migrants “crossing through remote, uninhabited expanses of land and sea along the border can find themselves in mortal danger.” The document bases the strategy on the “prediction” that migrant “traffic will be deterred, or forced over more hostile terrain, less suited for crossing and more suited for enforcement.”

Forgoing any subtlety, “enforcement,” in this instance, is a euphemism for “mortal danger” as a premeditated method of death by example to deter human beings from crossing unauthorized into the US.

The strategic use of the “hazardous” border environment is not obscured by government officials. Six years after the strategic plan appeared, former Commissioner of Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS), Doris Meissner, admitted that “we did believe that geography would be an ally to us. It was our sense that the number of people crossing the border through Arizona would go down to a trickle once people realized what it’s like.”

On the policy’s fifteenth anniversary, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) wrote in its landmark Oct. 2009 report, “Humanitarian Crisis: Migrant Deaths at the U.S.-Mexico Desert,” that at least 6000 people have died in the desert as a “predictable and inhumane” consequence of these so-called “deterrence” strategies, eliciting a continental humanitarian crisis. The month following the release of the ACLU report, the American Public Health Association (APHA) released its own report, “Border Crossing Deaths: A Public Health Crisis Along the U.S.-Mexico Border.” The APHA likewise concluded that the Border Patrol’s policy of “prevention through deterrence” has “resulted in the purposeful displacement and diversion of migrants into more treacherous and dangerous zones to cross…” The APHA echoed the total number of desert deaths cited by the ACLU in its report the previous month, but added that “[t]hese statistics are merely the number of known deaths, and do not include those border crossers who have never been found or were reported missing, thereby underestimating the actual number of migrants who have died attempting to cross the border.”

The darkly euphemistic language of “controlling” (in contrast to stopping) unauthorized immigration is crucial in understanding the enforcement management system of death as a measure of deterrence capacity. A “key assumption” of the 1994 Strategic Plan was that migrant apprehensions “will decrease as Border Patrol increases control of the border.” Having observed the actual consequences of anticipated effects of blunt “control” efforts, the APHA report cited above notes that “despite a nearly 50 percent drop in Border Patrol apprehensions”—as coolly predicted by Border Patrol in 1994—and despite “the recent economic downturn, and a decrease in border crossings, migrant deaths along the border continue to increase ” (my emphasis).

This morbid trend over the past two decades is acutely evident. According to state medical examiners and human rights groups 14 deaths in the year of the strategy’s fateful onset, 1994, jumped to 90 deaths in 2000, to 145 deaths in 2001, to 163 deaths in 2002. The next year, in one of those rare moments of candor that occasionally crop up from retired government officials, former Tucson Border Patrol sector chief, Ron Sanders, was quoted an article in The Nation magazine on U.S. border militarization policy: “By every measure, the strategy is a failure. All it’s accomplished is killing people….If you had airplanes crashing in this country with the same numbers [of deaths], you’d have everybody after the FAA. But since these people [dying] are Mexicans, no one seems to care.”

[nungesser]

@anon62577920

It’s not a laughing matter imho

I agree. That’s why I was saying that a closed border will have serious food supply issues for both America and Canada. I’m not sure who you think was laughing about the devastating effect it would have on the economy of all of North and South America.

[evilkolbot]

1. 1 man with a JCB
2. replaces 12 men with shovels.
3. replace 1200 men with teaspoons.

Who thinks of the 1200?
No one should dig with a teaspoon.
If a job can be automated it’s probably shit enough that it should be automated.

[anon29537550]

Coal mining in the United States | Production

Note the graphs of tonnage production vs the graph of miners employed. This is why the mining jobs will never come back. It has already been automated to the maximum of their ability, in the interest of profits. Poster child for “automated to hell and back.” As an unanticipated side effect, tough to make headlines over unemployed robots!

[Mister44]

Eh… if uneducated farmers can learn to can safetly, I bet the average American can… can.

During the recession in the 80s we had a huge garden. Potatoes, beans, corn, cucumbers, lima beans, tomatoes, carrots, etc. We did a lot of pickles and tomatoes for sauce, I remember.

[IronEdithKidd]

Bingo. I’m the oddball American who knows how to preserve food safely because I took it upon myself to learn, and take the potential dangers very seriously. This is knowledge that previous generations handed down to younger generations, but that information flow screeched to a halt in the 1950’s and 60’s in the US. Something my Depression-scarred grandparents did, but my parents refused to learn.

[anon62577920]

I just felt the headline was a little flippant sorry my comment upset you so much

[Mangochin]

@Brainspore

the odds that those immigrants will end up relying on taxpayer-funded social services.

Entirely untrue. One of the requirements for any such visas is proof of financial support. That is even true of marriage visas to US citizens. You have to prove the person is not likely to end up a “public ward”. In fact such immigrants have been a major driver in small business development.

@Brainspore

The Republicans don’t actually want to solve any of the problems they ascribe to immigration, they just want to be cruel to brown people.

True, but not related to family based visas.

@Brainspore

Creating economic stability in places like Honduras dramatically reduces the number of economic refugees seeking to leave those countries for the U.S.

Yup

[Brainspore]

@Mangochin

Entirely untrue. One of the requirements for any such visas is proof of financial support. That is even true of marriage visas to US citizens. You have to prove the person is not likely to end up a “public ward”. In fact such immigrants have been a major driver in small business development.

A person who has proof of financial support and family members who are already in the US is less likely to find themselves in need of social services than a person who has financial support but no family ready to give them a leg up to get established or to help out if things go south.

[nungesser]

Ah, yeah, I’d agree with that.

[DukeTrout]

Ooh, good point. Wrong microorganism/toxin. My bad.

[FGD135]

The Entire American Car Industry Could Take a Hit if Mexico Border Is Closed:...

[gracchus]

Looks like the big-talking con man once again punked out (seems to be a pattern with ethnostate fans who enjoy the benefits of living in immigrant nations). Not that I’m complaining.

Trump Retreats on Threat to Close Mexican Border, Offering a ‘One-Year Warning’

[RickMycroft]

“They say that every society is only three meals away from revolution. Deprive a culture of food avocados for three meals, and you’ll have an anarchy.”

[anon29537550]

Trump to visit replacement wall in California, insists he 'never changed' his...

Pretty sure I predicted this development upthread. (Injures self patting on the back…)

[Melz2]

Don’t “injure your spine,” yo; 45 can be relied upon to constantly contradict himself. That’s one of the only traits about him that’s consistent.

[gracchus]

What a child. Rather than admit he changed his mind after being presented with hard facts and logic, his comeback is:

Which, pathetic as it is, is still a response (as opposed to those champions of ethnic purity who just slink away to talk about other things when their cases for ethnostates are challenged).