What! ALL of them? That’s prejudiced extrapolation I’m afraid.
Now that’s hyperbole if ever I saw it. Unhelpful and idiotic.
Now I’m pretty sure I’ve heard that line about those who’d vote for Hillary.
This is usually a dog whistle for 9-11 truthers. Tell me we’re not going there…
I don’t have a problem with that. I do have a problem with “If you are not voting for Clinton, you are voting against humanity”, which is the direction I see many on BB heading.
I would use ‘or’ rather than ‘and’. Some of these do go hand-in-hand (such as racism and xenophobia), but not all necessarily so. A young Republican fresh in their first job on Wall Street may hold very classist views yet feel horrified by the racism expressed by their senior superiors.
This is very typical of twenty-something, male, self-professed libertarians. They view cases such as that of Eric Garner as racist policing and abuse of power and a problem that will not go away by itself. That their conclusion resembles that of the contemporary ‘liberal’ is coincidental. Rather, it’s based on a different strain of skepticism towards authority and, really, a different definition of what authority as well.
True, some of their classists views may have racist roots, but this young libertarian idealist may not be aware of them and if they were, might reevaluate those views to exempt cases in which imposing them would be an act of racism.
Might. A reevaluation like that means abandoning one’s idealism. This is hard for anyone of any political stripe to do. Just look at all of the millennials polled saying that they’ll vote for Stein or worse, not vote at all. They want to vote their conscience. Well, that’s nice but your self-integrity and/or moral vanity is a much lower priority than the greater good of this country. These young voters need to wake up to this fact and realize that they have, effectively, two choices. Vote for the one you dislike the least.
Sorry about the tangent. Brain still waking up.
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Eisenhower I would vote for because policy wise he was to the left of Clinton and having had personal experience was very antiwar.
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No, you’re right to point that out. I usually use “and/or” for just that reason. Guess I’m still waking up too!
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The PNAC was absolutely responsible for the invasion of Iraq. That’s not a conspiracy theory.
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While I’m sure they feel that way and believe that they are striving for that, there are some republicans/conservatives who do not see all of us as deserving of those things. Their policies have shown their true feelings on these matters. The attempts to derail gay marriage rights, to defund organizations like Planned Parenthood, to privatize and deregulate literally everything they can think of, the insistence that all Muslims are suspect and pushing for domestic and foreign policies that reflect that… all of this does not speak to me of those ideals. Maybe it’s the ideals for the Christian, wealthy, white few, but it’s not for all of us.
Add to that, that quite a bit of Trump’s base certainly don’t see that as common goals, so much as individual ones and literally any attempts to correct inequality, racism, sexism, classism seen as infringing on THEIR freedoms somehow. Some certainly feel that some don’t deserve any sort of equal treatment. And there are even some who actively believe in and promote inequality and freedom for the chosen few (a core of the alt-right in some cases). Lack of access to health care, good schools, decent jobs with good pay, reliable transportation, and so on, all are seen as personal failings, not societal problems that need to be collectively addressed.
Do I think all republicans or conservatives believe that the only freedom that matters is theres? Of course not. Do I believe that given their ticket to a guy who is whipping up the worst impulses found on the right? Absolutely. He’s the outcome of years of racist/right wing religious/anti-gay/anti-woman dog whistling they’ve been doing since the 70s. On some level, Trump is the chickens coming home to roost. You can’t spend years secretly pandering to bigots of all stripes and not expect some bigots or demagogues appealing to bigots to not show up.
So, I honestly don’t know what to say to you, other than the shit that comes out of Trump’s mouth isn’t helpful, productive, or often time worthy of answering with any sort of respect. I honestly don’t think he’s (or the GOP as of late) is treating their “opponents” with respect. They are treating them (us) like a hated enemy who isn’t part of the fabric of American society. There are plenty of people I disagree with, but there are plenty of people who see me as lesser than just for existing and not agreeing with them on what all those things mean. At some point, you just have to accept that they aren’t willing to give you respect and try to find people who actually will, even when they disagree. And who won’t have a hissy bit when they don’t get their way, which the GOP have been doing for several years now.
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I’m not really advocating for respect for Trump, nor the GOP, only to not badmouth half the population with vitriolic hyperbole, which seems all too common, even in this thread.
Indeed, a lot of people may want others’ rights restricted, but that’s really not the entire base.
OK OK! I’ll admit it.
I’m a fan of crap TV shows and movies. Golden Girls included. But I’d not even play it in Guantanamo.
They may not be racist, but they are voting for someone who has racist policies. Do you not see the problem with that?
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Perhaps they’re voting for Trump to keep Hillary out. A lot of people are opposed to her policies, lies, war-support and Wall Street links. Any other 3rd party vote would see her win.
With Hillary it’s plain that it’s going to be more of the same. With Trump it’s not so clear, he’s not going to get a 10th of his policies passed, so people see that as a clear gap to fill hope into.
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I bet you’ve got a whole folder of Golden Girls gifs to give haven’t you?
Ah: you are using reason and facts. I remember them fondly. Maybe they will come back in fashion someday.
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You can be a Muslim without supporting terrorism, and indeed the vast majority of Muslims do not. But by DEFINITION you cannot be a Trump supporter without supporting Trump, the candidate whose entire platform is built around racism and xenophobia. There’s no meaningful comparison here.
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This is confused.
Judging someone by their race, sexual preference, gender - problematic since these are things people are born into. Clear prejudice there.
Judging a group of people, where what makes them a group is each consciously choosing to support an open bigot promising to harm minorities? That’s the opposite of prejudiced.
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When I’ve spoken to acquaintances of mine who’re planning on voting Trump, and ask how they can support his racist policies, they inevitably say something like “oh, you can’t believe everything you hear in the media, and a guy like Trump says all sorts of crazy things during the campaign, I’m sure that’s all just politics and drama… but Hillary, on the other hand, is going to literally do this-and-that horrible thing to the country, so it’s a pretty easy choice.”
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False equivalence. Let’s correct it;
You cannot be a Muslim without supporting Mohammed. The spiritual leader who was responsible for some pretty horrendous and gruesome things.
Muslims however, like Christians compartmentalize those things and go about their daily lives mostly doing good.
But let’s not derail.
