John Hodgman endorses Hillary Clinton

I appreciate your thoughts clifyt, thanks!

Random thoughts…
not knowing your complete experience, I’m guessing your handshake deals with demanding donors is going to be different than what the president is faced with. Surely you have read the recent story where Obama himself claims taking big money has regretfully impacted his politics? To pretend hillary is immune wrong.

I do not pretend Obama hasn’t sold us out to get the small victories he has had. Secrecy, non transparency, TPP, detainees, drone warfare, any post here on BB during any random week. And yes, Hillary will have her moments in the sun, but what is she going to sacrifice to get it? Fracking, oil wars- her legacy has already been written, we are now just waiting for the big finale! Of course it will be all smiles with the Clintons back in office… could it be because the 1%ers are getting what they want?

So the fear is that Bernie is going to stall progress because he will not sell us out just to have his name put on a bill that is a loss for the people. I don’t call that not getting anything done… I call it a revolution.

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Sadly, the president has to deal with the congress they have. My argument is that we get a better congress with Hillary than we do with Bernie. Congress pass laws…

And I think the question there is why Clinton supporters fail to see how much republicans hate her. She wouldn’t have any easier time getting anything slightly to the left past Congress than Obama did. Sanders wouldn’t have that built-up hatred to deal with.

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Because they hated her husband just as much, and he was still able to work with them.

Disagree here. The Republican establishment never disliked Bill Clinton to the degree that they hated Hillary. They hated her since her husband’s campaign for the Democratic nomination.

Yes, it was sexist. Does it mean she shouldn’t be President? Not based upon this. However, I think believing Clinton will be able to work with a Republican-controlled Congress is the weakest argument for voting Clinton over Sanders.

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Oh I recognize the privilege.

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The GOP generally hates and fears women. Well, their freedom anyway. :slight_smile:

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I think a lot of people old enough to remember have forgotten how hard Republicans pursued Whitewater. There was no there there, but boy did they hang onto that. Just like they’re hanging on so hard to Benghazi. My prediction is that Clinton will be able to get done far less than Obama did. For better or for worse, even Trump would have an easier time moving his fucked-up and confused agenda (whatever it is, he can’t seem to articulate it). Sanders doesn’t have decades of party baggage hindering him. He could get more of his agenda done, but obviously not the social dem agenda that a lot of voters seem interested in. I think he could be effective in laying solid groundwork toward a significantly less regressive future. Cruz suffers from his own ego and will be at least as ineffective as Obama. His own party seems to really hate him.

tl;dr - if you think everything is peachy the way things are, vote for Clinton or Cruz. If you think something needs to change, vote for Sanders or Trump.

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Black men got the vote 50 years before women of any color. The Civil Rights Act passed in the 1960’s, but the Equal Rights Amendment didn’t pass in the 1970’s.

The prejudice against women as equal human beings and citizens runs very deep in this country. A woman being elected President RIGHT AFTER a black man? Half of the country would take to the streets with loaded guns in anger and frustration.

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Yes, and I hadn’t realized either that the suffragettes split on supporting the Civil War constitutional amendments over exclusion of women from voting rights.

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