Biden (or any president) cannot pardon Trump for non-Fed crimes. This knowledge keeps me from punching holes into walls.
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Good point, but I’d say the “heart of gold” part really doesn’t matter to them. In fact many of them think he’s doing a good job precisely because he’s an asshole. People keep countering Trump by saying “but he’s an asshole! and a criminal!” and many of his supports say (for example) “who cares, look at the all the stock market gains!”. The counter to that isn’t to say “but he’s even more of a criminal than you think”, but to show them a graph of stock market gains as a continuation of a trend that’s been happening for the last 10 years.
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I’m only speaking about people I know personally. I have no doubt that other moderates have differing motivations from what I have experienced personally. It’s been really frustrating within my personal circles. I thought we were all on the same page and had common goals. When the trump hit the fan, a massive fault line ripped through my social circles. Up to this point I was ignorant of the divide between progressives and moderates. And for quiet a while I had a hard time understanding why former friends were suddenly so bitterly angry and vicious toward each other.
The pattern I saw emerge among people I know, not just generalizations, was some of them wanted to fix income disparity and the many isms even if it cost them personally some loss. And others wanted to fix the isms, provided it didn’t cost them anything personally (and fiscally any change from what we have now would be a worsening).
To clarify, on the coffee/bar owners comment. I’m not in anyway saying the above applies to them in general. But rather, some folks use such businesses to create a persona of hip cool progressive entrepreneur while their actual political views skew much more right than they let on to. In general, Seattle does have a lot of people trying to find ways to be both successful and positive for the community at the same time.
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Preferably played by James Garner in the movie version.
Donnie-Two-Bibles, though… A heart ofFormica?
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Except that there is no way to convince them of that, because the “job” they want him to do is (1) “own the libs,” (2) demonstrate to his supporters that there’s no real consequence to being vile, truth-denying, racist sacks of shit, and (3) put conservative judges on the bench to overturn Roe. As long as Fox News is telling them he’s WINNING against DIRTY SOCIALISTS, as long as he keeps spouting his racist lies about the Terrifying Others, and as long as Mitch McConnell continues to rubber-stamp literally any half-bright goober the FedSoc tells Trump to put up, Trump’s base will think he’s doing a good job. Throw in the corporate tax cut and even the “hold your nose and vote for Trump because tax cuts” Republicans are pretty happy with where he’s taken them.
Anyone still supporting Trump has demonstrated an antivaxxer-level immunity to applying good-faith reasoning to actual facts. It’s folly to pretend otherwise.
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In spite of their recent indiscressions, they’d likely be competent as Pres and Veep. Plus, the comedy value of that ticket is off the charts.
@Brainspore: This ticket even already has a mascot. They can’t lose!
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I think the true test of that resolve will be if there’s a recession during his term and his economic policies are positioned to make it a bad one (i.e. his “easy to win” trade wars, running up the deficit in a good economy, tax policies that make the ridiculously wealthy even more ridiculously wealthy, etc.) Traditionally a president doesn’t survive if the economy goes to hell and that’s been the only crack in his unshakable one third that will support him in spite of anything else.
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I suppose this means ~1/3 of Americans think criminality is just fine as long as you can get away with it… and that the rest of us are just chumps.
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The next election could easily take place in the middle of impeachment proceedings. I’m not sure whether that would help or hurt his chances.
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I believe if trump was certain that he was headed for impeachment and prison he’ll raid the American treasury and head off to join putin. He has loyalty only to himself and his money
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Did anyone else do the math here? If 40% would vote for him again AND 66% believe he’s a criminal, that means that at least 6% of the population would vote for him even though they know full well that he’s a criminal.
Who are these people???
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Oh, right, that’s TWO men, my bad…
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I’d play “Rainbow Six: Impeachment”.
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NM. Misread the facts.
I get the same impression from media (TV, newspapers, websites, whatever), but the Trump supporters I know in person don’t fit that description at all. The big difference is that they live in the country so have radically different needs than people living in cities like me, starting with regulation. They want less regulation of their properties, workplaces, etc. When the county forces them to do a repair on some public facing part of their property and the permit fees cost more than the repair, they get angry. And I think that sort of thing is a lot more common than people who only live in cities realize.
And the other biggie is they want a strong economy. And, in their minds at least, Trump does a good job of providing both of those things.
And honestly, until Democrats stop saying things like “Anyone still supporting Trump has demonstrated an antivaxxer-level immunity to applying good-faith reasoning to actual facts” they don’t have a chance in the next election. In my opinion at least, although hopefully I’m wrong. But that strategy sure hasn’t worked yet.
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Coincidentally about 2/3 of Americans have an IQ above 70…
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Just, whatever you do, don’t open the Presidential Emergency NotIfication System texts!
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Well, good thing only the House has the ability to originate spending bills! As it turns out, it’s nearly impossible for a sitting president of the US or any other functioning democracy to “run off with the treasury”, as it were.
@DukeTrout: I c wat u did there 
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This is exactly it. For the Republicans and their supporters, committing crimes up to and including those that betray the founding principles of the United States and the most basic, fundamental ideals of a democratic society- that’s just another tool in the toolbox, to be used without hesitation as long as it gets their guy into office. This is hardly a surprise, given their support of voter suppression, intermingling of church and state, media censoring, etc.
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