They absolutely do realise that, but they don’t give a shit because they think they have nothing to lose. Trump had support from the 4chan clientele because sexually frustrated teenage virgins that are so deranged from watching porn and snuff clips all day that they are completely out of touch with humanity can’t imagine they have anything to lose. He had support from people who think they want to sacrifice their health insurance just to see liberals crying on TV. Of course that probably changes once they get their cancer diagnosed but they are not the forward-thinking type.
How about a carefully chosen state governor?
For the want of a brain, the kingdom was lost.
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Governor Cuomo is no fan of Trump.
Well okay but what it he just happened to turn up on a Russian pee tape? Possibly released by wikileaks, in a wildly coincidental turn of events.
It’s an age-old cycle. Cool enlightened hippie kids want to share everything when they have very little, but become capitalist Republicans once they have money to protect. They also conveniently forget the factors that helped get them there.
See: trajectory of college students everywhere, forever.
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This is quite true. I think a lot of people get frustrated when things stay at an even keel; they like to see change and tables being flipped, especially when they’re young enough that they think this stuff doesn’t affect them at all but makes for fun headlines and drama. When your choice is one candidate whose entire platform was “I’m going to keep things as they are and make sure nothing breaks,” and the other one is saying “Let’s burn it all down,” it’s an easy choice.
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Buried lede. Stop talking about how much people theoretically hate Trump, and start talking about what people are going to *do.*Hating Trump only gets you so far. 2020 is even more like 2016–the Democrats are more than capable of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
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True, but I wouldn’t put too much emphasis on the folly of youth as an explanation for Trump.
2016 election demographics:
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I call them “chaos addicts”. I can make a certain amount of accommodation for whatever psychological compulsion drives them to be that way as individuals. Far too often, though, a critical mass of them gets together and is instrumental in electing a dangerous and deranged buffoon to a position of power.
Agreed. It’s more the folly of immaturity that he’s describing, something more common in young people than older ones. In this context, though, I know plenty of young people with more maturity than your typical Dolt-45 voter.
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Also – I’m an outsider, not American, but I really don’t see why any Democratic president, “establishment” or not, would want to pardon Trump. The idea seems like reflexive pessimism to me.
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There are signs of hope from some candidates: Warren and Sanders talking about specific issues like anti-trust legislation or single-payer universal or wealth and income taxes for the ultra-wealthy, for example. But the Dem establishment is focused on making 2020 a referendum on Il Douche and trying to peel away his supporters by appealing to their rationality, which is exactly the wrong way to frame the election.
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It’s not really about being young, but about being both immature and disconnected. If you think your choices aren’t going to affect you, and think of government as this “other thing” in far-off Washington that isn’t really your problem, you’re going to be prone to think that having a Trump or a LePage in office might be fun, because they say crazy stuff and it keeps things chaotic and interesting. If you feel like politics are a part of all of our lives and think of the people you vote for as humans, well, that’s how you get an AOC.
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Probably still not enough for Republicans in the gerrymandered Senate to vote to convict.
The Senate isn’t gerrymandered. It’s a “feature” of the Electoral College and the gerrymandered House that causes the US to suffer under tyranny of the minority (Republicans, if that wasn’t clear).
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Insider-American-I have, over the years, witnessed too many inter-interest (more pervasive than inter-party) shenanigans that have led to muted justice, and – in the case of Trump – I expect the almost certain shenanigans to be lubricated by Trump’s (and allies) deep pockets. Politicians – as with everyone else – want to keep their jobs, and that takes money for campaigns.
PS: The only person I trust 100% to not pardon Trump is Sanders.
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What we need to do is cut off the red states like a malignant tumor. As long as they’re still part of the union, we’re always going to be fighting for reproductive rights. Radical Christianity will always have a stronger voice than any minority. LGBT rights are always going to be under attack. We’re just going to have a President Trump every now and then.
That’s just the cost of doing business with the Confederacy. I can’t for the life of me see any justification for keeping them around.
So, just abandon the LGBT, minorities, women, etc, of the red states?
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I can’t swim. What are my obligations if I see someone drowning?
Obviously, I have a moral obligation to call for help, to throw them a rope or something to hang onto. Steal the nearest boat and try to get to them.
But I’m not obligated to jump in after them. In fact, I’m obligated not to, because if I do, not only am I going to be of no help, but there are now TWO drowning people to rescue- Diving in after them actually decreases their chances of survival by half.
Which is exactly what we’re doing right now. We’re trying to help those people by giving their oppressors more power. Not only are they still fucked, but so are we. Instead of letting them pass anti-LGBT legislation in some backwater hick state and just working to get at-risk people out, we have them pushing that legislation nationwide where it threatens even the people who live in decent progressive states. As I said- As long as the former Confederacy has an equal say in how we run our country, this is going to KEEP being an issue. Roe v Wade was almost fifty fucking years ago, and it is STILL in jeopardy.
We’d be far better off cutting them off. We support them financially. We have the stronger economic base. We have more technology, educational, tourism, and financial holdings. We control most of the ports, and with the exception of maybe Russia and N Korea, we’d have the support of the industrialized world. They’d be taking a way bigger hit than we would be.
Then we’d be in a position to make demands- They guarantee basic civil rights, or we impose sanctions, tariffs, or just stop buying their exports. We’d be in a position to help extricate people who can’t live there safely. We wouldn’t have to get their permission to teach that climate change is an actual thing.
It’s not abandoning them, it’s finding a way to help that doesn’t take us with them.
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