And yet, the establishment candidate (Clinton) still lost to the unknown insurgent (Obama).
Only the all powerful Democratic Deep State could lose an election they rigged! Or maybe they rigged it in a way to make it look like they rigged it for the establishment, but They actually rigged it for the insurgent!
Jesus. Who’s running this conspiracy? Vizzini?
Seriously. How do you explain Obama winning in 2008?
When the New York Times is running an article saying the incumbent president shouldn’t run again due to his age, even before the campaign has begun, it means he shouldn’t and won’t run again. That’s the kind of article that torpedoes the early support Biden would need to build momentum in his campaign.
The NYT is so full of shit these days, they should just provide transcripts of Fox News and save themselves the time and effort of attempted journalism.
He’d make a great prez or, if not that, veep. Either way, look for the GOP and conservative media to constantly refer to “Buttigieg and his husband” as a way to peel off votes.
Buttigieg/O’Rourke 2024
Meh.
Abrams/Ocasio-Cortez 2024.
Yeah.
I see your Abrams/AOC and raise you Whitehouse/Porter
A walk down Obvious Blvd.: When asked, Biden refers to himself as the only Dem who can take 2024. Not much time left to change Dems minds about him unless he can pull rabbits out of his hat. With the numbers he has now, no way. Reality is that whoever can pick up the baton, must also be the person with the best chance, which doesn’t always mean they’re the absolute best for the job. Whoever has the best chance to win and martial the forces to “correct” SCOTUS and roll back the latest shittery from that quarter (just for starters) has my vote.
They are still the most prestigious newspaper in the US. Many high-income liberals look to the NYT for their opinions. And if the NYT is saying Joe can’t / shouldn’t run, it destroys his momentum, which is critical. Momentum is just another way of saying success attracts success and money attracts money.
I have to say, Joe did pretty well in the debates in 2020, but I can’t imagine he will do so well in debates next year, especially if he’s up against one of the many possible Republican candidates who are more articulate than Trump. There are so many other possible candidates who are far more capable and inspiring than Joe, who have been mentioned in this thread.
Maybe we can move away from old white dudes at the top of the ticket? 
I’m sure he’s great and all, but let’s try something different maybe and perhaps we’ll start getting a new result?
You’re not deep enough in a bitter leftist conspiracy theory land.
And people wonder why I politically identify as a socialist, and not a liberal.
Having a Crank Left is not a good thing. Being part of it is worse.
Phil Ochs had just the song…
The cowardly GOP has bowed out on that. And if the GOP rigs up its own debate platform and asks Biden to debate there, the WH (and the inevitable Dem challengers) can tell the GOP to go suck eggs.
Yeah, I really need someone to tell me too cause I can’t google it.
@bluehenbear posted a link above with the Senator in question, Sheldon Whitehouse.
No. O’Rourke needs to win the governorship and stay in the state. Too much to fix. He’d do a whole lot more for people and the dem party as the Tx governor. He can go play national politics when he’s done getting our state at least a little less fucked
OK, I just learned that “The Power and the Glory” is an Ochs song. We used to sing this in elementary school, in Arlington TX (here’s plenty of context as to why this surprises me). Until today I thought that was by Woody Guthrie (whose songs we also sang in elementary school). I see that Anita Bryant had recorded it, so maybe that’s why it had entered the music class repertoire by the late 70s, but Woody Guthrie, too? (And not just “This Land Is Your Land”.) I’m going to err on the side of optimism and guess that the music teacher was cooler than I imagined (though ony up to a point).
