Omg, I actually got a tear from that one!!!
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Youâre just in time.
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Too bad. The Hors Dâoeuvres were to die for:
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To say nothing of the open bar
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I bet rabid biddies are bad at rapid bidding.
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Whatever you say, Frank.
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nom de lulz
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Thatâs the problem. The power here belongs to the boss, not to anyone else. Public outrage may convince a boss to cut someone loose or perhaps the boss will ignore it because he agrees with the bigot. Ultimately the boss-worker relationship is a financial one so bosses will get rid of anyone whose private opinions they feel are a threat to the company. The power here is not being used to teach people to be less bigoted, itâs about making money.
I agree, but my point was that job loss isnât an effective consequence in dealing with bigotry. Since itâs the bossâ decision, itâs an arbitrary, unaccountable and possibly out of proportion consequence. In a nutshell, if you want to tackle bigotry, giving bosses more power is the worst way to do it. It will be abused by bosses to get rid of workers who they donât like.
Sure, I donât really sympathize with those who got caught spewing bigotry openly, when itâs terrifyingly easy to do so anonymously. My concern is that with a surge in racism, public tolerance for such outbursts could become higher. If naming, shaming, & firing is the only tactic, a more bigoted general public will not pressure companies as much.
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Private opinions are EXACTLY NOT what we are talking about here.
I implore you to not be obtuse.
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acute observation. 
(i also donât like firing as the result of being a public asshat, but i made my views known in another thread)
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i knew othermichaels name wasnât actually michael! itâs alice!!
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Okay, poor word choice. I mean opinions outside of work. Opinions that donât have any direct bearing the ability to do a job. Opinions someone expresses in their free time, etc.
But youâre zeroing in on something secondary to my main point. Do you think job loss is an effective tool for dealing with bigotry or not? Iâm not arguing against it on free speech grounds cause I have no problem with anti harassment policies in the workplace, but that the workplace is not the best place from which to police harmful opinions in wider society, because the boss-worker relationship is already a fundamentally reactionary and undemocratic structure. Like hate speech laws are way better cause bosses are just going to fire anti-racists for âhating white peopleâ or some horseshit like that.
I somewhat resent being called obtuse since my points havenât actually been addressed, nor am I defending a right to express opinions without consequence, specifically bigotry which if tolerated, causes actual material harm to marginalized people.
i was making an âangleâ pun, that is all. i sympathize with some of your arguments, but i choose to frame them in the At Will Work reference. there was no insult intended.
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Alice doesnât live here anymore (no good delis that deliver).
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Yeah, at will employment is awful. Itâs part of what Iâm getting at since precarious employment status makes it harder to people to fight bigotry. But also that bosses really shouldnât be the people in charge of policing opinions, not that I am opposed to harmful opinions being policed in general. Cause bosses will use at will employment and a license to police opinions to exacerbate discrimination because it frustrates attempts by their workers at creating collective solidarity to overcome things like the systematic underpaying of women and minorities.
i donât mind seeing bigots being (figuratively) kneecapped. I donât think your workplace is the right, er, instrument for the for that action. so given our employment laws i just mentally compartmentalize, until we have something approaching unions, worker protections, and stronger anti-harassment and bullying laws. (why yes, i am a wide eyed optimist)
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