Well about that…
Could be at the time it was meant to be part of the criticism? I never took it as her being approving of the masculine culture, especially since in the context of her talking about sexual assault… I’m not sure, in that context, it would be read as “pro-fascist” messaging, if it’s taking a swipe at misogyny and the culture that feeds into assaults on women.
I think we need to start pushing back more against the “people are tricked into being fascist because they’re dumb” narratives… Same with the “both sides are bad” narrative and the “fascism is only carried out by truly evil people” narrative.
It’s a coherent ideological worldview, not just something people are tricked into…
I think we can make assumptions about that song as it’s from a different context than the first song/video. People are not static, and people are not just one thing, either. She have both made a song critical of misogyny and sexual violence years ago and have made another maybe more problematic song about appreciating power later. 
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I think that was exactly what she was referencing.
For the record: almost never. Last year I thought about Phoenicians a fair bit though.
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like i said above:
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Right, I’m inclined to agree, but that does not retroactively make the previous song/video about fascism, though.
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sorry, yeah. i didn’t catch that part of that conversation. as you said, people are nuanced and, yeah, can also change over time.
( a semi-parallel would be that harry potter writer, “she who must not be named”. not everything she wrote was terf and terrible; even tho she has chosen to become vocally so after her rise to fame. )
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I work on the assumption that all billionaires are psychopaths until proven otherwise. Nobody ever earns a billion dollars.
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To echo you both I usually say there’s no such thing as a victimless billionaire. It’s just not possible.
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Peter Gabriel has entered the chat
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“Genesis” . . . Peter Gabriel
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Yep. There’s also some Roko’s basilisk stuff in there. Looks like she got… I-dunno-what pilled by the Silicon Valley bros. I can’t wait for the eventual merger of fascism with effective altruism, that’s gonna be a hoot.
guess thats my 2 cents now…
my perception makes me think that fascists truly dont have morals or beliefs, they think anyone else has also neither, because they have no empathy, they can only see themselves.
theyre the ultimate egoists.
if fascists encounter people with morals and beliefs, they will fight and ultimately kill them.
a fascist tortures his victim to gain information, because he knows he himself would break. and as he can only see himself, he is convincend the victim will also and must break.
theyre the ultimate egoists.
the fascist wants power, but if the fascist next to him is stronger, then he will bow. until he is stronger, then he will kill his former master.
they have no morals, nor beliefs. not even “fascist” ones; fascism is ultimate egoism. thats why it will always destroy itself in the end, but in the meantime…well, we all know.
they are fascists. they are the most insecure people you can think of. because they have
no morals, nor beliefs.
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I guess I see might makes right and heritable authoritarianism as morals values. I also see the belief women/children need abuse or deep down want abuse as a moral position: people deserve to be abused if they act in ways that stimulate abuse/abuse is the most natural way of bonding for people. That’s a moral belief I think?
The belief in prefab gender roles that require training but are never acknowledged as such is also a moral belief I think much like a religious belief. Imo fascist morality has to pretend to be natural because the underlying belief is in a natural hierarchy that doesn’t actually exist. So pretending convincingly is the whole ass point and the moral value is in the pretending.
Acceptance of lying and deceit or expectation of such in all cases. That’s definitely some kind of moral cornerstone for them.
That deference to authority is more important than critical thought, that creativity is dangerous and must be controlled by others… those are real beliefs derived from a moral root somewhere.
The belief that an all powerful state needs to tell people what to do, when to do it, even what kind of decorations to use for holidays as well as what holiday they are allowed to…that’s definitely a moral position.
I think fascists have morals they’re just shitty morals.
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hm. pretending in morals as a moral value? hm. you do have to believe in morals to have them, right? cause I think fascists truly dont believe in any.
but only for that purpose and time. so changing morals as they seem fit is a moral position? but is even pretending to have morals morals at all? even shitty ones? I still do have a hard time seeing that. but thank you for that reply, much appreciated.
Behind every great fortune is a great crime?
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… that’s how they met, that’s why Musk and Boucher know each other
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The math even says so.
To be a billionaire at 40 (22 “adult” working years), working 60-hour weeks (approx 3000 h / year), after all your expenses you’d need to put aside around $15k per work hour. And when I try to imagine an honest way to do that, I’ve got nothing.
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Being Taylor Swift?
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Nice!
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[Genuine panic sets in] Post-Cyberpunk version, therefore not mainlining a unicorn chaser while huffing para-corporate RNA mods, but the next thing…[tries to recap the Viridian movements] which is being a constitutional terminal alkane [oh excuse me, spell check, I meant olecranoid!] kind of ion channel mind?
ETA: So wasn’t that pull quote from Grimes, c.f. White supremacy only is if you ignore history. I thought she was going to pull anti-facism onto her character sheet with that, but it’s more washing and actually good songs than that, eh? Also is there a way to ask a music service for nonrepetitive songs among new songs (even if I like Sia’s ‘Gimme Love’ some?)
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