Are you being obtuse? I’m showing there are black and socialist voices for gun rights. It’s an interesting interview, give it a listen.
I know. I like irony.
What. A. Shame.
Now I hope everyone involved never works again.
Not just that - category one only exists because of category three. The modern white evangelical movement was created to maintain religious segregation in the post-civil-rights era.
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I’m well aware that there are black and socialist voices for gun rights. That’s not what was asked, though. People want to know what Loesch’s attitudes toward socialists and POC owning guns are. Answering that question with an irrelevant interview would seem to make you the obtuse one.
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In a more civilized world, Loesch would never be able to find another job anywhere. Sadly, we do not live in that world.
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I suppose fair point if we want to limit the scope to Dana. But the non-white comment included satire of the NRA and gun rights in general, which IMO opens up to more than just Dana.
The interview is relevant in that the whole issue is not a monolith of racist white men as it so often is framed. Killer Mike is a radical who doesn’t shy from spitting truth like “We are 54 years out of apartheid.” and criticizes supposed allies on their silence of black men being killed by cops. I guess one can hand-wave this as a Unicorn example, but the things he actually says I challenge one to disagree with.
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It just keeps getting better:
NRA’s Embattled Top Lobbyist Chris Cox Resigns After Two Decades
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You mean the interview that was immediately used by the NRA to target March for Your Lives and other things that Killer Mike is active in, forcing Killer Mike to publicly apologize for every granting them an interview with him?
Because he regrets giving the NRA that interview, because the NRA hasn’t been about private gun ownership in many decades.
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Watch her end up getting a Fox News job
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He regrets they took him out of context and used sound bites to attack other causes. Hence why I expressly said that this was the full interview, not cherry picked quotes. See my first post for my problem with Dana (and others) kitchen-sinking the issue into not just gun rights issues, but other “right wing” issues with a “culture war”.
He’s still very pro 2nd Amendment, and you can find him talking about it in other interviews (IIRC he has one with The Breakfast Club), and mentions it in your linked videos. I still contend the the interview is relevant because it gives a perspective of black gun ownership, and he even makes mention of it giving power to the proletariat.
The actual points he makes in the video I think are very good and I agree with pretty much all of them.
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You know she’s wishing the NRA had cut the power a week earlier so she could’ve applied for the job of screaming at reporters from behind the podium at the White House.
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(I considered this too. I assume if someone asked her about any minority owning guns she has individual examples she can use to try and disprove racism, like Sheriff David Clarke for example. But as @strangefriendbb pointed out, we all know how the NRA reacted to the Black Panthers a generation ago.)
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Right, but the point is that he gave a good faith interview on NRATV and NRATV used it to further the non-private-gun-control agenda of NRATV. It’s not about the conflict between race and banning guns, that’s been covered on multiple mainstream platforms and with many people. It’s just that NRATV is an exploitative mess outside of Dana Loesch that has a general disdain for private gun ownership and is all about driving gun owners into being more politically radical.
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I haven’t watched that whole video yet but it is interesting.
I would be more interested in seeing data on when the NRA made a public statement about some gun related violence, and when they pointedly did not make a public statement. In other words, is there a pattern of them defending the rights of white gun owners while conveniently ignoring the rights of black gun owners?
Killer Mike and Colion Noir have legitimate opinions about guns and gun rights, but by making this video they were contributing to an organization that doesn’t really support them, and has hired a lot of very racist commentators over the years.
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…aaaaaaand nothing says ethnic and gender diversity more than Klan hoods!
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In other words they did not treat the black socialist with any kind of respect. So the video is not a particularly good bit of evidence for your apparent claim.
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On one hand, good paying production jobs are lost… on the other hand, their paycheques were dripping in blood. We’ve all worked on things that didn’t sit well with us, hard choice to make.
My local TV station tried to broadcast a weekend rodeo in town, after first day whole crew refused to continue having seen first-hand the treatment and suffering of the animals. And these are guys/gals eking out a living gig to gig, but we held firm and eventually station managers supported our decision.
I bet the folks behind the scenes at NRA TV have some stories to tell.
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We live in a world dominated by outrage media, so taking sound bites out of context to create controversy isn’t limited to NRATV. As I said in my first post, the handful of things I have seen Dana do were filled with extra issues, and seems to thrive on that whole “outrage” media. That is why I never liked her.
It is incredibly frustrating they chose to do this, because while it probably generated more awareness for the interview (outrage = likes/dislikes and shares), you have like 100 people aware of the interview and the controversy surrounding the sound bites, but only like 1 person went through and actually listened to the message. And it’s been a year and a half, but IIRC Colion made a statement that he disagreed with how the NRA put out the sound bites as well, but that the outrage over the soundbites overshadowed all of the discussion that was contained therein.
I don’t recall them making official direct statements about any case that I can think of. Maybe they have, I can’t recall any. They generally make direct statements about laws being proposed and some of the large mass shootings. I know they have thrown legal weight into cases, some of them involving black gun owners, but I suppose one could just assume they are using them as a tool to counter legislation.
I have heard Colion Noir make direct statements about specific events such as the shooting of Phillip Castile, which hit impacted him because he could see himself as that guy.
Listen to the interview. Killer Mike’s attitude about it is he doesn’t have to agree with you on other issues or even have to like you to align with you on a subject. The way he sees it, even if there are racists in the NRA, they aren’t trying to take away his gun rights. It’s the people who claim to be his allies who live with the privilege he doesn’t that are. He also mentions that any discussion about a subject that concerns him or his causes, even if he doesn’t full agree with that group, he wants a seat at that table so he can at least try to effect change.
My claim was they were given a platform. One a guest, and one a regular commentator.
That’s still in stark contrast to what the entire rest of the NRA, as an organization, did for Phillip Castile and others like him.
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Like trying to spin stories like this
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