"Qanon Karen" who destroyed mask display at Target and lost her business is now very sorry

According to her Instagram page, she’s the author of ‘You Can’t Cancel Me’ - Story of My Life. I was going to phrase that as “the title of her book” but I realized I didn’t fact-check that part :wink:

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Yeah, that got me too. She recognizes that she was invested in what she calls a crazy cult ideology, and she blames her clients for not wanting to be associated with her?

“and of course all my clients left” would be the better phrasing

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Is it written with a “golf pencil”?

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So, let me get this straight…
When your actions were affecting others around you, you didn’t give a shit. Now that it’s bit you in the ass, then you’re “truly sorry” about what you did. Right.

Guess what, you are just experiencing the consequences of your actions… deal with it!

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Fuck off.
I so wish the management or security at retail establishments would just start pepper spraying these fucks in the face and throwing them out on their fucking asses.
Fuck them all.

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“You can’t cancel me!.. Oh, you can. You keep surprising me.”

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To what degree, though? I’ve had the unfortunate pleasure of having numerous family and friends who were either raised in cults, escaped from cults or willingly joined them (seriously, a quick mental count turns up four entirely different cults!). I kind of understand the apologists who grew up in the cults as their induction happened because of their parents. The adults who joined, however? Fuck ‘em. And here’s why:

I was raised fundamentalist evangelical and therefore had contact with a whole lot of members of other like-minded churches. Every third one was pastored by a man (‘natch!) who had either been an addict or outright criminal in their “previous life”. Without fail, they referenced this every damn Sunday. They wore it like a badge of honor… as if their faith was that much more pure because they had come to god from such a low place. Fine, whatever dude, I’m glad you’re not a drunk anymore.

Unfortunately, the impact of this wasn’t as a cautionary tale, it was permission. My best friend came from a stable home, but had serious and obvious disabilities (vision, mainly). He was picked on, of course, but his response was to become an absolute terror to everyone around him. He was gregarious enough that he was able to keep friends around, but when he was on his bullshit it was all-consuming. He eventually ended up going to prison for a time and wreaking all manner of havoc for about 15 years.

I say all of this because the truth that I knew growing up was that one day he would cross a line and be brought to heel by someone and once that happened he would have one of these bullshit “awakenings”, renounce his lifestyle (which is quite easy to do when you’ve burned every bridge and your childhood bedroom is still available) and become a fucking minister. I knew that if he survived to adulthood that would be the result. And sure as shit, I was right.

My point is, many people do get taken in by cults out of the purest intentions as my kids’ grandparents did. But many of them, maybe even most, know what they’re getting into and just don’t give a fuck. I’m glad she’s getting help, but as someone who was directly and actually traumatized by cultists like her, fuck her.

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No couldn’t be Scottsdale Az? Never happened before…

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She bragged about having a “$40,000 Rolex and a Range Rover” but she still felt oppressed enough to destroy property and harass people.

QAnon doesn’t make people broken like that. It just attracts people who are broken like that. I’m not feeling a lot of sympathy here.

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I was ready to give her the benefit of the doubt until I checked out her Instagram page and realized she’s the type of person who wears makeup to go snorkeling.

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I’m trying to give people the benefit of the doubt. Trying. It’s hard though. I see her mea culpa as trying to salvage some shred of her former wealth and power, though. Maybe that’s on me and I need to do better. Maybe she really is getting the therapy and medication she needs to find emotional balance in her life.

But I still don’t buy it.

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Or more accurately she’s the type of person who wears makeup to pose for Instagram pics implying she’s going snorkeling. The pristine state of her foundation and the squeaky-clean mouthpiece on the snorkel tell a different story.

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And her oddly selectively wet hair, that looks like it was touched with hands dipped in the water…

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When I had a bartending gig in Scottsdale, these fine specimens of ridiculous white privilege would make my nightmares come true, add alcohol, and you got a Karen on acid. She got what she deserved, be glad I wasn’t the arbiter of her demise…

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”She hasn’t snorkeled at all.”

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Or we could admit that “cancelled” has become something that has a meaning that has escaped into the wild. It’s not just a right wing talking point, it’s simply part of the language now. Defined as:

1)the internet focuses its lense on someone doing something bad
2)that person’s customers flee or they get fired

It’s hardly a political talking point to admit that this is a thing that happens and that the label for that has changed from “shunning” to “cancelling”

“Cancel culture” as a word or concept doesn’t bother me, it’s the whining about consequences that’s bothersome.

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She’s yucky.

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If you read the AZFamily article it puts her behavior into a little more perspective -
“Unable to get through to her, and concerned about her spiraling behavior, her husband had called the police.”
“Lively also made numerous posts, claiming to be the spokeswoman for the conspiracy group known as QAnon.”
“Lively says she was hospitalized and diagnosed by doctors with post-traumatic stress and bipolar disorder.”

If she’s bipolar that explains her behavior. If she was truly having a manic episode that would fit with the self-aggrandizing and entitled attitude. She absolutely might also be an insufferable asshole but she’s got quite a mess to clean up and she might be sincere about it.

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By phrasing it as “I have been cancelled” she shifts the responsibility onto those who shunned her instead of accepting full responsibility for the consequences of her own actions.

A person who had self-awareness and remorse would have said “I alienated everyone around me and drove away my former customers.”

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Your definitions miss some very important connotations and social context. Cancelling as used in the wild by her peers has a pejorative meaning. It’s used to imply that the consequences are unjust and are likely being applied to actions that the speaker thinks are perfectly acceptable behavior.

Which is what @HappyHead was keying into.

There are uses of cancelling that approve of the consequences (there are examples on this board), but that is not the definition being used by the subject in question.

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