It is there even if you don’t look.
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I like this.
The biggest fear about Bernie is his age, so putting a younger, vital candidate by his side like Warren works great for me.
So… Bernie for President, Warren for VP, and Marianne Williamson as Sorceress Supreme.
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That’s absolutely the one trend you can really pick out. Things are coalescing around a top 3, and its Warren Sanders and Biden.
And Harris is an excellent example of the problem with drawing too much of a conclusion from polling right now. If you were looking at these same polls, isolated ones or the aggregates, back in July. It looked like Harris was spiking after a regular uptrend. And was directly pulling support off Biden. But whatever that was, wasn’t very long lived.
Is the only candidate so far to consistently trend upwards. Which is something.
A lot of the polling right now isn’t even done on an either or basis. Like anything on “enthusiasm” isn’t exclusive, rate each candidate from do not support to strongly support. You can strongly support all of them, which makes comparisons across candidates messy. And almost no primary polls, particularly state level polls are done on anything like a consistent schedule. This Monmouth poll hasn’t been released since June.
Without regular tracking polls slow trends look like sudden changes, and major happenings appear not to impact things for days or weeks. Basically a lot gets exaggerated, and stretched out. I think this is part of what happened with Harris/Biden after the 2nd debate.
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That’s automatic disqualification!
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Add me to that list. I’d take either, or both, before the rest of the lot.
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File me under all the folks who disagree with this assessment.
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I love that ticket idea! Quick BB poll: Warren/Sanders or Sanders/ Warren?
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- Warren/Sanders
- Sanders/Warren
0 voters
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The funny part is Warren is 70 years old
If she ever gets tired of being a senator she could make bank selling vitamins or something
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Neither one is likely to happen.
Warren is the DNC’s pseudo left candidate; her financial backers would not tolerate Sanders on the ticket. Conversely, Sanders’ base will not tolerate a ticket compromised by the involvement of the Dem establishment.
If Warren takes the primary, her VP will probably be one of the centrists; Buttigieg etc. If Sanders makes it through, I’d expect him to nominate Nina Turner as his VP.
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I think most if not all people here would agree that there is little chance that Warren/Sanders team up no matter if either get the nomination. It is rare for such high profile candidates to then accept being P/VP combo.
The purpose of the poll was to counter a grossly generalized statement above that had zero basis in reality. But was stated as a fact, when really…it was…
It seems like there is, tentatively, a real story about Warren. Nate Silver makes a case that Iowa is looking good for her, and as that RCP chart shows, she’s the one leading candidate whose poll numbers show a clear trajectory. Since primary coverage is all about the first derivative of who’s winning, I think it could easily turn into the Elizabeth Warren Show.
Plus, on merit, she’s kind of the goldilocks candidate – businesslike and calming for those who just want things to go back to “normal”, but also progressive enough on policy that Sanders fans wouldn’t feel entirely defeated.
And if there is an economic downturn in the near future, that would be great for her campaign.
I’m pretty sure the chart written in multicolored marker on his bedroom wall has always said VP in 2020 and prez in 2028. After all, if you want to be prez, why spend decades on the project when you might still end up like Hillary Clinton? Everything about his persona seems calculated to ensure he’d be a good pick as running mate for almost any of the other candidates. If that’s the plan, his aim will be to stay in the race until a point where he can do someone a valuable favor by dropping out.
So, Warren / Buttigieg 2020, you saw it here first.
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I think the key here is not that this poll is definitive and perfect, but that there is a small glimmer of hope that Biden is not completely inevitable. That he won’t constantly remain 10 points ahead of the pack. I have a feeling personally, based on know real knowledge, that as candidates drop out their supporters will more likely go to sanders and warren than Biden and he’ll start falling behind.
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I can also easily see Warren / Castro or Warren / Booker.
The last few weeks have hopefully made it clear to Beto that he’s best served working for Texas.
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Yeah, when that El Paso shooting happened I kind of hoped he’d drop out then and use the resulting news cycle to really push the point of Turmp’s culpability, so that it didn’t just get swept away in the relentless, howling white noise of Turmp headlines like all the other horrors.
(And more cynically, it wouldn’t have hurt his prospects for his next Senate bid)
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I’d vote for Warren/Pete. And wouldn’t surprise me if Pete has meticulously laid out his plans for various life/career/political stages. Nothing wrong with that, or unique among any political candidate, or among many successful people in general.
I think I’d be less likely to trust someone who acted like, “Aw shucks, me? President? I never planned it, but if that’s what the people want…” Or a Trump-like person who had no plan at all to be president until running seemed like a handy and cynical way to make money.
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I agree with both of you. I like Beto, but also feel his best platform is state representation; not national.
When it comes to Sanders or Warren running mate choices…I think it would be politically advantageous for them both to read the tea leaves and go with the obvious.
Sanders/[any younger non-white female DEM]
Warren/[any younger non-white male DEM]
It really is that simple for them to be able to check all sorts of boxes with swing voters.
I personally do not care for Castro, Buttigieg is good as is Booker. I love Harris, but I don’t see her alongside anyone but Biden.
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OMG, just imagine a Warren/Harris ticket. What a combo. What a way to unite the party and terrify Trump.
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I would love it…but I think Harris would be too “strong” a personality for that.
The thing is…whoever is on the final D ticket…one of them has to be a centrist. You need one to help get as many swing voters as possible.
As has been pointed out on the BBS though…eye on the prize. I don’t care if the D ticket is a House Plant and a hedgehog…they have my vote. FERN/SPIKEY 2020!!!
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The Harris/Warren numbers do indicate that there are lots of people who are eager to see the first woman elected president. But I didn’t really mean to say that vote-for-the-man was a dominant axis of decision making (it’s more of a default for most people than an active go-to). Just pointing out that people’s decision-making algorithms are deeply weird and of course there are going to be those first choice Sanders, second choice Biden people (which I find deeply strange and hard to explain other then just preferring old men).
To be honest, I’d just love to see Harris kick Mike Pence’s ass in the VP debate. Make him so mad he bursts out talking about how she doesn’t know her place as a woman or something.
Thanks for coalescing a thought I had into a simple sentence.
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