Secretary of State says Trump's values are not America's

i read it as, they would rather have voted for a white man than a white woman. and, truth be told, sanders was actually heartfelt against the excesses of wall street. lots of trump supporters are too. ( bizarrely, they see trump as being outside wall street. a self-made man. not a banker, but one of the volk who made it big by outsmarting the man. )

that said, i’ve known people ( not the volk ) who were torn between george w and nader. basically, some people make no sense.

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They were accelerationist idiots at best.

Accelerationism may also refer more broadly, and usually pejoratively, to support for the deepening of capitalism in the belief that this will hasten its self-destructive tendencies and ultimately lead to its collapse.

Seriously, we need to stop calling the people between the two major parties moderates or centrists. We got away with it in the past but now it’s normalising fascism. Call them swing voters or floating voters, it’s a more accurate description.

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And after Heliogabalus came Severus Alexander. Interesting times.

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… de chelonian mobile, sic transit in gloria mundi.

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I suggest you review the history of that, because I think you are quite wrong. He wanted to do a deal between Exxon and the RF, and he managed to get the ear of Putin. But subsequently the RF has obviously decided that it wants US-controlled interests out. He seems to still have hopes of a long term rapprochement. But that’s just what businessmen do. They do deals. Would you say that high officials in the Chinese government are working for Turnbull? Because that’s pretty much the relationship as Australia is an extraction economy like the RF, and the Chinese are in it on a big scale.

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That’s quite ahistorical. In the run up to WW1 the Tsar and Wilhelm were often at odds with their governments, and the mixed messages coming out contributed to the descent into war. A country in which the HoS is considered to speak for everybody has a technical term - a dictatorship.
The job of the HoS is supposed to be to hold the ring for the government and to represent the government at official engagements.

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The “likely” was there for a reason; it may have been better as “possibly”.

It’s a factor I’m not sure about. The destruction of the State Department looks very Russia-friendly (and Trump-friendly; it hobbled resistance from the diplomatic corps), but his behaviour has been weirdly inconsistent throughout.

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Gotta give Donald credit: Always finding a new way to be ever more disgusting.
And Tillerson’s statement is pure BS. Pure.

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Everything you write is true… but I will focus on Tillerson after larger problems have been removed from office.

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I would guess Trump probably doesn’t get the implications in that comment, he probably thinks it was some kind of compliment.

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Now that the Russia story has blown up, Tillerson see’s little hope of the Crimea oil deal going through and may be looking for an easy way out.

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A low bar to clear; most people older than 13 are much more mature human beings than the president*.

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Most people older than 5 are much more mature human beings than the president.

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I’m holding out hope that the guys who are staying in the Cabinet despite clearly being uncomfortable there are just waiting until they can get the eight-plus-Pence votes needed to remove Trump under the 25th Amendment’s incapacitation section. It’s not likely, but it’s a lot likelier now than it was even a month ago.

My initial thought, when the “25th Amendment” talk started, was that it didn’t make sense since it requires more congressional votes than impeachment. But I’m increasingly of the opinion that congressional Republicans would be a lot likelier to vote Trump out if the cabinet made the first move than to make the first move themselves.

This is almost certainly just wishful thinking, of course. But there’s nothing wrong with a little wishful thinking as long as it doesn’t take the place of action.

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Ooooo someone just failed their loyalty test.

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Remember how he got the job? Trump thought he looked like a Secretary of State.

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Paris climate treaty?
Trans ban?
Bush’s “axis of evil”

You might not agree, but that doesnt matter. He is speaking for you.

Is anyone else having a hard time imagining a Prez. Pence… somehow I just can’t see it.
Not that I like it or not (I definitely don’t like anything to do with this administration), it’s just that I can’t see that guy in the office. Not for any particular reason.

I think you are either snarky or overly simplistic regarding this issue. There should be quite a number of countries where the exceptional issue could (and sometimes did) arise that a HoS opposed, e.g., a law drafted by the government and pushed through parliament. And, by definition, the HoS in many democracies does not represent the majority of voters, but all people of the country. You might challenge the concept based on experience, but the fact remains that this should be the case.