Semiautomatic handgun advocate shot and killed her two daughters

This morning? Doctor, is that you?

It was slightly ironic as personally I regard Freud as being a more articulate version of Joseph Smith.

(Moses and Monotheism was a book I had to read at U as an example of why the medical profession should stay clear of psychology, anthropology and theology.)

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You might have rhymā€™d scannā€™d. :wink:

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Iā€™ve not read that book, however, I do remember seeing an episode of Horizon (the BBC Science Programme) where an independent expert was given a pile of scans and asked to group them as he thought appropriate. He identified a group of scans as being very different to the rest.

The researchers then revealed that the scans were all taken of prisoners, and all of the ones the expert had singled out were from prisoners convicted of crimes involving extreme violence; the ā€œhe suddenly snapped and went on a killing spreeā€ type of crimes. So maybe further research could identify other danger signs.

In this case it became clear that the individuals had been born with ā€œbad brainsā€ and then exposed to abuse as children. The twist was that the expert, a descendant of Lizzy Borden, turned out to have a ā€œbad brainā€ himself, but was simply totally unemphatic due to a lack of childhood abuse to set his trigger.

I guess that, in the meantime, gunshop owners could ask, ā€œDo you support Universal Health Care?ā€ and deny a gun to anyone who answered, ā€œNo!ā€ :wink:

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I was going for the Mark E Smith approach to lyrics. :wink:

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That must be hell on the infrastructure.

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Well sure. If I ride my bike around without brakes and somebody cuts me off and causes a crash I could argue that the brakes wouldnā€™t have helped.

But its better to have brakes. You can argue individual cases forever.

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No joke. If my wife had access to a gun I would be dead now. Thatā€™s because she flies into these rages every couple of weeks and if there is a knife handy she waves it at people and then a couple of hours later she calms down and denies that anything is wrong.

I donā€™t know if that is a mental illness or not. The question is irrelevant to me.

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Ideas, newsletter, etc.

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Oh, thatā€™s why all the livestock farmers in my country are giving up! Theyā€™re not permitted to own guns! No wonder countries with strict gun legislation never have a functioning farming industryā€¦
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Forgive me if Iā€™m overlooking something, but why is owning livestock and living in a rural area a reason for needing a rifle? I grew up in a rural area and most of our neighbours were livestock farmers; none of them had a gun, except the one that had a hunting permit. This was in Germany. Anecdotal evidence, I know, but our gun legislation suggests that this is the rule rather than the exception.

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I guess that, in America, they could cite wild animals; like poomahs.

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ā€œDo I want to shoot someone? Nah, fuck it. Iā€™m just crawling back into bed until the world goes away. After I wash my hands exactly three times.ā€

The statistical reality of mental illness.

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I donā€™t own guns because Iā€™m not into range shooting or hunting and I donā€™t see home invasion as something that is likely enough to happen to worry about. I do support gun ownership though. I even recognize that having guns around likely increases the chance of murder and the lethality of attempted murder, which Iā€™m sure most all NRA members disagree with. I still support gun ownership. I donā€™t believe society should be a nanny state where everything that is dangerous should be banned. I enjoy alcohol and building high voltage devices (not together). I donā€™t want either of those taken from me. If someone enjoys hunting, firing at a range, or just collecting and maintaining firearms, they should be able to do that. Some reasonable restrictions on ownership may be necessary (sorry Republicans!), but the terror watch list is not a sound basis for that (sorry Dems!), considering there is no process for appeal and anyone can be stuck on it for any or no reason at all.

For perspective, your chance of death

1 in 7 Heart Disease
1 in 7 Cancer
1 in 28 Respiratory disease
1 in 106 Suicide
1 in 108 Motor vehicle accident
1 in 123 Unintentional poisoning
1 in 158 Falling
1 in 304 Assault by firearm

Firearm death is a remote chance already, but consider most of that is inner city crime among those of low socioeconomic status. Gun control isnā€™t likely to affect that number much as legal gun ownership isnā€™t a major factor in those crimes. Unregistered firearms are exceedingly common. In fact, only a very tiny percentage (less than 3%) of gun crimes are committed with legally owned guns. Gun control measures will not be very effective at reducing firearm related mortality. A much better return on investment for time spent and money lobbying would be to address the root causes of inner-city strife or addressing any of the other far more likely causes of death.

Of course, if we actually pushed for legislation based on reason and merit, weā€™d be living in Star Trek level society by now. Instead, weā€™ll be mired in petty divisive issues for the foreseeable future while the rich get richer.

Fun straw man: If you want to have a much greater impact on mortality, ban sugary drinks.

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When Iā€™ve asked on these boards why anyone actually should need to own something like an AR-15, Iā€™ve been told theyā€™re helpful for killing coyotes or other nuisance animals on ranches. Somehow our ancestors managed to get by with barbed wire.

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This. I canā€™t get a toehold for coulda-oughtta-shoulda social commentary.

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Itā€™s that evil Evolution thing. Coyotes these days are smarter. Vote Creationism!

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Itā€™s a good thing you personally do so much work in advocacy for mental health treatment as a fundamental human right, right?

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Actually, even if there are no ā€œpoomahsā€ or other major predators that could endanger humans about, you still have to worry about neighborhood dogs and such.

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Masons, of course.

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